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2020.10.23 16:09 Dr_Aradius Bardaisan, the forgotten Gnostic poet and statesman

This post is in response to u/Sun2027's kind question about my fascination with Bardaisan (154-222 AD), the Syriac Gnostic poet, composer, philosopher, ethnographer, and quite possibly the spiritual leader of the first and only Gnostic state (?) - more on this below. I'm not a scholar of Syriac Christianity, so this is more of a personal and speculative take, but I hope one evocative of why Bardaisan can still matter for us beyond just an historical footnote. Brace yourselves, this is long.
Basics
If you've never heard of Bardaisan (also Latinized as Bardesanes), then G.R.S. Mead's short chapter about him is a great first intro. Posekel's paper on Bardaisan's influence offers a fresher and more comprehensive take, and this Encyclopedia Iranica entry provides some wonderful additional details and interprets him through the lense of his Persianate context. Throw in Ilaria Ramelli's extensive work and what emerges is a highly contested, fragmentary, very human, deeply fascinating picture of a theologian as significant as he was forgotten (i.e. very). He was said to be a Valentinian and/or an opponent of Valentinianism, an astrologer and/or a critic of astrological determinism, an Aristotelian and/or a Middle Platonist. Frankly, not everyone agrees that he was a "Gnostic", but the Orthodox don't get to claim a dude they've spent centuries maligning as one of teh bad gnusticks. So let's have a look at what echoes of Bardaisan still resonate today:
Osroene and religious freedom (for Christians at least)
OK, let's start with the juicy theo-political stuff. At the time of Bardaisan's literary and political activity, Osroene (with the capital in Edessa) was a client state on the Eastern border of the Roman Empire (today it's Syria and Southern Turkey). It was Aramaic-, Syriac- and Arabic-speaking (with normal Greek and Latin influence), culturally aligned with the Parthian Empire, populated by large Marcionite and proto-Orthodox communities. Sandwiched between the Parthians (who periodically persecuted the suspiciously Roman-friendly Christians) and the Romans (fucking genocidal maniacs), Osroene became the first state in history to officially embrace Christianity with the conversion of its king, Abgar IX. And sources favorable to Bardaisan attribute this unprecedented success to Bardaisan, an aristocrat, member of the king's court.
Apparently he was a spiritual leader so influential that the Orthodox Ephrem the Syrian had to embark on a whole campaign of de-Bardaisanization over a century after B's death. Which raises an interesting question - in those 150 years of Bardaisanite dominance in Edessa, what exactly was the official religion of Osroene? If heresiological reports are to be trusted about the nature and influence of Bardaisanite theology, then the first "official Christianity" in history was a form Gnosticism.
This is not just a matter of bragging about who arrives first on the political stage; this unprecedented religious freedom is what allowed the distinctive tradition of Syriac Christianity to be born - and it was born under Bardaisan's pen. Depending on how you date and ascribe early Syriac literature, either Bardaisan's works or works from the Bardaisanite milieu are the earliest preserved Syriac Christian literature aside from the Bible. He wrote countless hymns, he wrote music for them, he wrote theological works, and thus the Syriac-speaking people of Osroene launched a tradition which spread across Mesopotamia, then into India (St Thomas Christians), and all the way throughout China.
After the end of the Abgarid dynasty, Bardaisan died in exile, in Armenia. Which, 80 years after his death, became the second state in the history of the world to make Christianity its official religion. Coincidence? Probably, but I'd like to think that Bardaisan's influence also laid some of the important groundwork there too. (I mean, Ancient Armenia is just literally next door from Osroene.)
The Hymn of the Pearl (or, of the Robe of Glory)
OK, back to theology. There are two surviving texts which are attributed to Bardaisan without much dispute, and the HRG is one of them. If someone asked me for a short statement of a Gnostic worldview, this is the text I would give them (chances are you're probably already familiar with it). It's not heavy on doctrine, but it's got all the hallmarks of lived Gnosticism - the feeling of alienation; the feeling of consubstantiality with a Divine realm, one inhabited by a plurality of beings you're related to, starting with a Divine Father and a Divine Mother; the path of rememberance and return which brings you home after a brief sojourn in this chaotic and forgetful world; a feeling of hope and Divine goodness which permeates the text; even the symbol of the robe links it to some NHL texts. And yet the real genius of it is that it is so open, even ecumenical; it articulates the mystical experience of many spiritual traditions. If you're interested in a Gnosticism which builds bridges to other paths without sacrificing its heart, this hymn is your creed.
The Hymn of the Daugher of Light
The HDL is part of the Acts of Thomas, an early Syriac apocryphal text which probably doesn't have too much to do with Gnosticism in terms of the hagiographical storyline, but which includes the Hymn of the Pearl and other poetic inserts likely from the Bardaisanite milieu (or maybe from under his pen directly). And the Hymn of the Daughter of Light is a deeply beautiful poem in praise of the Divine Feminine. Who is She? Sophia, Thunder Perfect Mind, Barbelo, Virgin of Light (Books of Jeu), Ecclesia/Church (as a later Armenian manuscript would have it), the Holy Spirit? We don't really know, but the poet is portraying her in language evoking (I think intentionally) both Temple mysticism of Esoteric Judaism and the Bridal Chamber mysticism of the Valentinians. Seriously, just read it and try not to fall in love.
Then have a look at the Gospel of Philip, specifically the passages referring to the Mystery of the Bridal Chamber - and how it portrays it in terms of Temple mysticism. As a collection of fragments from other (unnamed) sources, and yet displaying an uncommon affinity with Syriac Christianity which is essentially just being born then, GPhil could in fact be referring to the same early tradition of Bridal Chamber mysticism which the Bardaisanite hymn is also drawing on. (I mean, could be that GPhil post-dates Bardaisan and quotes some of Bardaisanite material!) In any case, these two texts absolutely go together. As does the HDL and the Thunder Perfect Mind - one as Her speech, the other as Her worship.
And the thing is that while we don't know much about the Valentinian Bridal Chamber rituals, Bardaisan's early Bridal Chamber poetry lays the foundation for Syriac Bridal theology, which then furnishes a language for a whole lot of Muslim and Baha'i mysticism of love. Hell, Bardaisan basically single-handedly created the next 1800 years of Syriac symbolism - everyone east of Athens is indebted to him, most of all his greatest foe and greatest debtor, Ephrem the Syrian.
Prayers of the Acts of Thomas
(Available under the HDL link as well.) This is a pretty debatable attribution, but one theory is that the amazing epicletic prayers which seem to address the Holy Spirit as the Divine Feminine (and possibly other AThom prayers too) are also inserts quoted from Bardaisanite literature. More of poetic spirituality of the Divine Feminine - and, I mean, you can actually pray just by reading them out.
The Book of the Laws of Various Countries
The BLVC is not the most riveting of reads, but it is the second, longer and historically more significant of Bardaisan's directly attributable works (although it is technically a dialogue with a disciple named Philip, the scribe in this case). The prologue is ostensibly directed against the Marcionite community of Edessa, but is essentially an argument against demiurge/two-god theories in general, by way of showing how moral freedom is so fundamental to the universe that even the elements will be judged based on how they used their freedom. In other words, the intrinsic fucked-up-ness of the universe is a result not of human error (Orthodoxy) nor demiurgic error (Sethianism) nor angelic error (Simon, Basilides), but rather of the fundamental nature of freedom as a "universal constant", an ontological and ethical necessity. Sounds like a strange idea to us accustomed to more deterministic models (it's possibly an Epicurean influence, but B's cosmology is really unclear and debatable), but if you want a Gnosticism without the Demiurge - Bardaisan is your guy.
Also, both the Mead chapter and the Posekel paper talk about the book's philosophical significance in terms of establishing the Christian argument against astrological determinism, which - to my mind - looks like an ethical and demythologized version of the Sethian idea of the Immoveable Race free from the influence of planetary archons. The sources used by the Encyclopedia Iranica entry do speak of some other Valentinian and possilby Sethian influences on B as well, he wasn't just a critic!
And beyond that, the books is actually an early ethnographic look at, well, the laws of various countries. Bardaisan was said to be particularly interested in India and henceforth treated as a bit of an authority on the subject, but that portion of his writing unfortunately didn't survive; the BLVC is pretty geographically wide. Which is pretty cool in itself.
Conclusion, finally, Jeez
All of this is just based on what's attributable to Bardaisan with some degree of certainty. What of his works was preserved, survived no doubt thanks to being sufficiently inoffensive to the Orthodox copyist. And it paints a picture, possibly, of an Orthodox-friendly Gnostic thinker akin to the Eastern Valentinian tradition (with its "Orthodoxizing" Tripartite Tractate, Excerpts of Theodote, or Treatise on Resurrection), perhaps a figure bridging theological worlds that others felt too distinct? A model, one might say, for those of us who do seek to have an ecumenical understanding of Gnosticism?
And what of the works which haven't survived? Did Bardaisan lay some of the philosophical groundwork for Origen's doctrine of apokatastasis, as Ramelli has argued? What of his seemingly Epicurean-Aristotelean doctrine of elements which seems to equate matter in part with darkness, like the Books of Jeu and Manichaean works, what is the relation between them? Did Bardaisan write the Odes of Solomon, a collection of joyful and triumphant Christian poetry with "suspect" theology and so reminiscent of what we are told about his lost poetic works? Did his lost work on the metaphysics of light contribute to Manichaean theology of light, and from there to Shi'a Illuminist philosophy? Reconstructions are fraught, a comprehensive one might be impossible. But I think the fragments we have do tell the tale of a unique Gnostic theology which might have survived in ways far more vibrant than we'd usually think.
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2020.10.23 05:45 StevenStevens43 Cerdic the Merovingian

Cerdic the Merovingian
Keredic:
In this article, i am going to be investigating more british legends, criticisms of modern day historians and scholars, and studying just how the legends and criticisms hold up to actualy contemporary history.
I am going to begin with a later king named Keredic, that will eventually bring us round to an earlier king, who will become the main focus of this article.
So i will begin with one of Geoffrey of Monmouth's kings, Keredic.
Of course, modern day historians and scholars always appear to feel the need to attempt to know better than Geoffrey.
In the case of Geoffrey's Keredic, there simply is no proof of the existence of a Keredic, and modern historians and scholars suspect that Geoffrey may have gotten confused with the actual historically factual kings Cerdic, that preceded, and succeeded Geoffrey's Keredic, respectively.
Keredic
Keredic (Welsh: Ceredig) was a legendary king of the Britons, as recounted by Geoffrey of Monmouth. The origin of Geoffrey's character is unknown, but he is not depicted as a Saxon. According to Geoffrey, Keredic's rule was so unpopular that the Saxons enlisted the aid of an army of Vandals from Ireland to drive him from his kingdom.
Geoffrey's legendary Keredic may have been a conflation of Cerdic, the traditional founder of Wessex, who, despite his political affiliation with the Saxons, was likely to be half-British himself, and another Cerdic, who reigned over the Celtic kingdom of Elmet around present-day Leeds until his defeat at the hands of Edwin of Northumbria
Geoffrey of Monmouth's British king list:
So, what i will do, in order to establish whether it is likely Geoffrey got himself confused with the two Cedric's, i will find out from his king list exactly when Keredic was said to have reigned.
And as we can see below, he reigned between the 6th Century Malgo Maelgwn and the official Saxon occupation of Southern portions of Britain, in 597 AD.
Geoffrey of Monmouth's British king list
Malgo Maelgwn Gwynedd, 6th-century king of Gwynedd.
Keredic.
Interregnum; Saxons occupy England Augustine of Canterbury (arrived in Britain in 597)
Maelgwn Gwynedd:
So, in order to establish exactly when approximately Keredic began his reign, let us look at the date of death given for Maelgwn Gwynedd.
And as we can see, it is 547 AD.
Therefore, Geoffrey's Keredic reigned between 547 AD and 597 AD, approximately.
Maelgwn Gwynedd
Maelgwn Gwynedd (Latin: Maglocunus; died c. 547[1]) was king of Gwynedd during the early 6th century. Surviving records suggest he held a pre-eminent position among the Brythonic kings in Wales and their allies in the "Old North" along the Scottish coast.
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Britain 540 AD
Man of the North:
So let us look at the historically contemporary Ceretic of Leeds whom is described by historians and scholars as being identical to a historical figure known as "the man of the north", and let us find out when historians and scholars attribute Ceretic (man of the north) to having been born.
According to English historian Bede, it was 614 AD.
Ceretic of Elmet
Ceretic of Elmet (or Ceredig ap Gwallog) was the last king of Elmet, a Britonnic kingdom that existed in the West Yorkshire area of Northern England in sub-Roman Britain.
Bede records that Hilda of Whitby (born 614)
Cerdic of Wessex:
Now, i will look at Cerdic of Wessex, and find out what contemporary historians and scholars give for his reign.
As we can see, his reign was from between 519 and 534 AD.
Cerdic of Wessex
Cerdic (/ˈtʃɜːrdɪtʃ/; Latin: Cerdicus) is cited in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as a leader of the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain, being the founder and first king of Saxon Wessex, reigning from 519 to 534 AD.
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Britain, late 400's, early 500's
Sex education:
Now, whilst modern day historians and scholars likely fail to see any familial connection between Cerdic of Wessex, and Cerdic of Elmet, Scientists and biologists would be more inclined to agree that Geoffrey of Monmouth's historical understanding is more consistant with the actual reality of descendency and ancestry.
As the world was not full of kings named Cedric, there is in fact an extremely high probability that Cedric of Elmet was in fact a descendant of Cedric of Wessex.
However, in order for Cedric of Elmet to be born in the early 600's in to a family of kings, it would be from a Scientific perspective, far more likely that there was in fact an actual factual real person of high nobility that lived between Cerdic of Wessex and Cerdic of Elmet.
Therefore the politics of who is real, and who is fantasy, is not shared by chemistry and biology, were human lineages cannot be decided by discrimination, and do in fact require the involvement of actual real humans, whether those humans suit ones agenda, or not.
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Sex awareness symbol (Buenos Aires)
Vandals:
Now, i find it interesting that Geoffrey's Kederic is depicted as a king of the Saxons, whilst Kederic is actually not himself a Saxon.
Keredic
The origin of Geoffrey's character is unknown, but he is not depicted as a Saxon. According to Geoffrey, Keredic's rule was so unpopular that the Saxons enlisted the aid of an army of Vandals from Ireland to drive him from his kingdom.
Brittonic:
This is also true with Cerdic of Wessex.
Cerdic was actually not considered a Saxon, and is in fact believed to have been a native Briton, by contemporary historians and scholars.
Etymology
The name Cerdic is thought by most scholars to be Brittonic – a form of the name Ceretic) – rather than Germanic in origin.[5] According to the Brittonic origin hypothesis, Cerdic is derived from the British name \Caratīcos* or \Corotīcos*.[6][7][8][9] This may indicate that Cerdic was a native Briton, and that his dynasty became Anglicised over time.[10]
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Cerdic of Wessex
House of Woden:
Now, a good clue as to the origins of Cerdic comes from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles that claim to trace his ancestry back to the house of Woden, and the antediluvian patriarch's.
And of course Woden is the god Odin
Background
The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle provides a pedigree tracing Cerdic's ancestry back to Wōden and the antediluvian patriarchs).
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Odin
Odin:
In an ideal world it would be easier to write articles if Odin, being the same entity as Woden, was a self explanatory fact that went without saying.
However after many debates with self confessed historians and scholars, i have found that in actual fact, it is not something they are usually aware of.
Therefore i will take a little time to provide a little proof, below.
Odin
In wider Germanic mythology and paganism, the god was known in Old English and Old Saxon as Wōden,
Den:
Now, it is probably a bit unfair on modern day historians and scholars, that are still attempting to find the connection between Odin and Woden, to suggest how Egyptian pharoah Dens tomb, could actually be the house of Woden.
Den#Identity)
Den, also known as Hor-Den, Dewen and Udimu, is the Horus name of a pharaoh of the Early Dynastic Period) who ruled during the First Dynasty of Egypt.
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Tomb of Den
Hampshire:
Though there are clues as to where this king with a typical Brythonic name, with ancestral line-age to a legendary Scandinavian royal house, most immediately came from.
King of Wessex
According to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, Cerdic landed in what is today Hampshire in 495 with his son Cynric in five ships.
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Brittany
Brittany:
In order to land in Hampshire, instead of Dover, or elsehwere on East coast, it would be more likely Cerdic came in from Brittany.
Also known as Armorica.
Etymology
The word Brittany, along with its French, Breton and Gallo equivalents Bretagne, Breizh and Bertaèyn, derive from the Latin Britannia, which means "Britons)' land".
Cherdik:
Now, Cerdic is only his name in the dialect spoken on the Southern shores of Britain.
Elsewhere his name is recognised as Cherdik.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerdic_of_Wessex#/media/File:Cherdik_-_John_Speed.JPG
Merovingian:
So in order to find out who exactly Ceredic most likely was, i am going to go through a list of Merovingian kings, with names similar to him.
Beginning with Chlodio, a Frankish king, believed to be one of the earliest most immediate ancestors of the Merovingian dynasty.
Chlodio
Chlodio (d. approx. 450) also Clodio, Clodius, Clodion, Cloio or Chlogio, was a Frankish king who attacked, and apparently then held, Roman-inhabited lands and cities in the Silva Carbonaria forest, now in central Belgium, then Cambrai and Tournai, and reached as far south as the River Somme.
Modern historians believe he was a descendant of the earlier Salian Franks, reported by Roman sources in the 4th century.
He is known from very few records, but Gregory of Tours reported that in his time people believed he was also an ancestor of the Merovingian dynasty.
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Merovingian symbol
Chilperic:
Chilperic I of Burgandy
Chilperic I (died c. 480) was the King of Burgundy from 473 until his death. He succeeded his brother Gundioch and co-ruled with his nephews Godomar, Gundobad, Chilperic II, and Godegisel.
Childeric I:
Childeric I
Childeric I (/ˈkɪldərɪk/; French: Childéric; Latin: Childericus; reconstructed Frankish: \Hildirīk;[4] c. 437 – 481 AD) was a Frankish leader in the northern part of imperial Roman Gaul and a member of the Merovingian dynasty, described as a king (Latin *rex), both on his Roman-style seal ring, which was buried with him, and in fragmentary later records of his life. He was father of Clovis I, who acquired effective control over all or most Frankish kingdoms, and a significant part of Roman Gaul.
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Childeric I's golden bees
Childebert I:
Then there was one of Childeric I's four sons, "Childebert I" that had a kingdom which stretched from Brittany to the English channel.
Biography
In the partition of the realm, Childebert received as his share the town of Paris, the country to the north as far as the river Somme), to the west as far as the English Channel, and the Armorican peninsula (modern Brittany). His brothers ruled in different lands: Theuderic I in Metz, Chlodomer in Orléans, and Clothar I in Soissons.
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Childebert I coin
Names:
In fact, the vast majority of Merovingian kings had names that would appear closely related to Cerdic.
Family tree
Battle of Badon:
Now Cerdic is thought by historians and scholars to have been the British king that fought against the Britons at battle of Badon.
Though something about that statement does not make 100% sense.
It is unlikely that Cerdic was in fact a Briton, from Great Britain.
But more likely a Briton, from Armorica, given that in Great Britain, he is fighting "Britons".
Cerdic of Wessex
Some scholars suggest that Cerdic was the Saxon leader defeated by the Britons at the Battle of Mount Badon
Battle of Cambrai:
Now, if Cerdic fought in the battle of Badon, then there is an extremely good chance he was also involved in the battle of Cambrai, were the legendary king Arthur likely lost his life, and the historical Ragnachar, definitely lost his life.
As is revealed in this thread here.
Art Oenfer VII - Thee king Arthur
King Arthur
Merovingian rule:
So, before i can present my case that the most likely explanation for Cerdic, is that he is a Merovingian related to the Childeric's and is attempting to add Britain to the Merovingian empire, i first need to find out if the Saxons during this period were under Merovingian rulership.
If they were not, then my case collapses.
If they were, then Cerdic was almost definitely a Merovingian.
And guess what, the Saxons were indeed under Merovingian rulership during this period.
Merovingian dynasty
The Merovingian dynasty was the ruling family of the Franks from the middle of the 5th century until 751.[1] They first appear as "Kings of the Franks" in the Roman army of northern Gaul. By 509 they had united all the Franks and northern Gaulish Romans under their rule. They conquered most of Gaul, defeating the Visigoths (507) and the Burgundians (534), and also extended their rule into Raetia (537). In Germania, the Alemanni, Bavarii and Saxons accepted their lordship. The Merovingian realm was the largest and most powerful of the states of western Europe following the breaking up of the empire of Theoderic the Great.
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Merovingian empire
Saint Radegund:
Farther, a Thrungian princess named Saint Radegund, and married to a Merovingian king, did a Christian mission around the Southern shores of Britain, during the reign of Cerdic, and at least five religious institutions in Britain today, are named after her.
So there was definitely a Merovingian presence in Southern Britain during this period.
Radegund
Radegund (Latin: Radegunda; also spelled Rhadegund, Radegonde, or Radigund; c. 520 – 13 August 587) was a Thuringian princess and Frankish queen, who founded the Abbey of the Holy Cross) at Poitiers. She is the patron saint of several churches in France and England and of Jesus College, Cambridge (whose full name is "The College of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint John the Evangelist and the glorious Virgin Saint Radegund, near Cambridge").
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Church of Saint Radegund (Lincolnshire)
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2020.10.22 16:29 fenn2b Week 8 Match-up Preview Thread: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks vs. Abilene Christian Wildcats

Stephen F. Austin vs. Abilene Christian
When: Saturday, October, 24, 01:30 PM Eastern
Where: Globe Life Park in Arlington - Arlington, TX
Watch: ESPN3
Odds: Abilene Christian by 2.5 pts.
Total Points: 50.5
All-Time Series : Stephen F. Austin vs. Abilene Christian
Stephen F. Austin and Abilene Christian have met 20 times since 10/06/1973.
These teams last met 369 days ago on 10/19/2019.
Series Wins: Stephen F. Austin 9-0-11 Abilene Christian
Longest streak of continuous meetings: 13 (1973-1985).
Abilene Christian has won the most recent meeting (2019) in this series.
Last 6 Meetings
Winner Date Location Stephen F. Austin Abilene Christian Notes
Abilene Christian 2019-10-19 24 31
Stephen F. Austin 2018-09-22 24 21
Stephen F. Austin 2017-09-23 20 10 Abilene, TX
Stephen F. Austin 2016-09-24 41 30 Nacogdoches, TX
Abilene Christian 2015-09-26 32 35 Abilene, TX
Abilene Christian 2014-11-15 35 37 Nacogdoches, TX
Series Comparison Data via RivalryBot Database
Through Week 7
Week Stephen F. Austin 2-3(0-0) Result Abilene Christian 0-2(0-0) Result
1 UTEP 3-2(0-1) L 14-24 BYE N/A
2 BYE N/A BYE N/A
3 UTSA 3-3(1-1) L 10-24 UTEP 3-2(0-1) L 13-17
4 SMU#12 5-0(2-0) L 7-50 BYE N/A
5 None-None(None-None) W 34-6 Army 5-1(0-0) L 23-55
6 BYE N/A BYE N/A
7 None-None(None-None) W 31-12 BYE N/A
All rankings reflect the current /cfb poll
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2020.10.22 16:26 fenn2b Week 8 Match-up Preview Thread: Charlotte 49ers vs. UTEP Miners

Charlotte vs. UTEP
When: Saturday, October, 24, 12:00 PM Eastern
Where: Jerry Richardson Stadium - Charlotte, NC
Watch: ESPN+
Odds: Charlotte by 14.5 pts.
Total Points: 49.5
All-Time Series : Charlotte vs. UTEP
Charlotte and UTEP have met 1 time since 11/09/2019.
These teams last met 348 days ago on 11/09/2019.
Series Wins: Charlotte 1-0-0 UTEP
Longest streak of continuous meetings: 1 (2019-2019).
Charlotte has won the most recent meeting (2019) in this series.
Last 1 Meetings
Winner Date Location Charlotte UTEP Notes
Charlotte 2019-11-09 El Paso, TX 28 21
Series Comparison Data via Winsipedia
Through Week 7
Week Charlotte 1-2(1-1) Result UTEP 3-2(0-1) Result
1 BYE N/A Stephen F. Austin 2-3(0-0) W 24-14
2 Appalachian State 2-1(0-0) L 20-35 Texas 2-2(1-2) L 3-59
3 BYE N/A Abilene Christian 0-2(0-0) W 17-13
4 BYE N/A ULM 0-5(0-2) W 31-6
5 FAU 1-0(1-0) L 17-21 BYE N/A
6 North Texas 2-3(1-2) W 49-21 Louisiana Tech 3-2(2-1) L 17-21
7 BYE N/A BYE N/A
All rankings reflect the current /cfb poll
Charlotte Injury Report
Not Available
UTEP Injury Report
Data Scraped: 2020-10-16 20:00:03
Player Position Status Reported Notes
Josh Ortega DT Ques Oct 24 – Undisclosed Fri, Oct 16 Ortega has missed the previous three games with an unspecified injury, and it is unknown if he will play Oct. 24 versus Charlotte.
Quadraiz Wadley RB Out For Season – Toe Wed, Sep 9 Wadley suffered a toe injury and will miss the entire 2020 season.
Injury data lifted from: boydsbets.com
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2020.10.22 05:09 Rebelspy212121 RED ALERT, the day of reckoning is within the next 3 weeks

DISCLAIMER: I have nothing illegal or classified, all sources used are public.
Warning I am being censored, I guarantee this post will be taken down soon. Save it now and start spreading it. I am going to prove the claims made in this video https://2020electioncenter.com/watch?id=5f8b7cca9d7ca5144824dc5e
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My fellow human's. Buckle your metaphorical seatbelts, because I am about to tell you a crazy story full of murder, drugs, sex, tax evasion, a bioweapon being released, billions of dollars of corrupt dealings, and much more sinister things. Unfortunately, I can factually prove most of it is true, and I will prove it here and now. Please note, I am not the original leaker. I simply put together a series of leaks together, and they fit together perfectly. I'm just a normal guy who likes to go behind the scenes of the News a little too much.
No matter what political side your on, please note what I am saying is mostly fact. I'll try as hard as possible not to be biased. These leaks involve both Republican and Democrat government officials, many well known Celebrities, Businessmen that lead Mega Corporations in the tech, energy, and medical sectors, Government Officials from other Countries such as Russia and China and many others, and the heads of many Major News Networks, and Social Media Outlets. The people I just mentioned will be referred to as "Controlling Elites" for the rest of this document.
By the end of this post I will prove to you the following:
A. Hunter Biden has made billions of dollars by corruptly using his families political power as leverage.
B. Hunter Biden has sexually assaulted minors and their are videos of it (He was honey potted by the CCP) and does Crack and Meth, so do many other "Controlling Elites". Most of which are compromised and do the bidding of the Chinese communist party for sex, money, drugs and because CCP has blackmail on em!
C. Joe Biden is also involved in these corrupt deals, and so is Obama, Hillary and many other "Controlling Elites", yes including some Republicans!
D. The information used in (Hunter Gate) was originally intended to be used as blackmail. Blackmail, from Chinese officials to democrat leaders, due to the anti Chinese sentiment in the USA. Sentiment the people of America have for China's corrupt handling of many things, China blackmailed many "Controlling Elites" to stay loyal to the CCP, and to quell the Anti-Chinese Sentiment.
E. The FBI, is actively trying to undermine Trump, and has had access to Hunter Gate and evidence of many other crimes committed by "Controlling Elites" (Example Epstein).
F. Their is political infighting in China, party officials are in a power struggle (You will see how this ties into Hunter Gate later). Party officials are planning to assassinate each other, freeze the oppositions financial assets, and much worse.
By the end I will make a good case for the following. (these are not yet facts, however, they are most likely true according to evidence.)
G. Corona Virus, is not a spontaneous natural disease. It was made in a lab. While it may not have been intentionally released, China decided to let it spread in order to distract people from Hong Kong so they could take it, cause chaos so they can invade Taiwan without opposition, have an excuse for the draconian measures currently taking place in China, and in the end gain allot of economic power since they had time to prepare a plan.
H. Qanon, is right to a certain extent. Their is a group of "Controlling Elites" that do abuse children (refer to Epstein). These "Controlling Elites" do perform weird rituals and do a ton of drugs. They are also right that the "Controlling Elites" actively monitor and censor much of the news and internet and do silence people that step out of line. They are partially false that Trump is not partially involved in some of these corrupt schemes (Probably committed some tax evasion), albeit, he is way less guilty compared to a majority of "Controlling Elites". However, they are right that Trump battling to try to expose some of these evil people (Maybe he had a change of heart and truly is a fighter for good now, or maybe he just wants to win his re-election and enlarge his ego, either way he is actively trying to "drain the swamp".) .
I. The US election will result in some sort of "day of reckoning" and possibly a guerilla style civil war. and eventually World War 3. This will be the result of 3 things. 1. Neither party will accept defeat, they will both claim the other party committed criminal acts and is rigging the votes, unfortunately both sides of that argument are right, Albeit the Republican is considerably more clean. 2. We will see groups like Antifa and Proud Boys clashing by voter stations, Mail in voting also will not work in states doing it for the first time, and we WILL have enormous amounts fraud. Most likely, we will never know who won the election of 2020. 3. The world is at a tipping point, no matter who wins the instability in America will create a ton of instability both financially, and politically for most of Planet Earth. The instability will most likely result in the following wars. {India vs Pakistan} {Europe vs Muslims} {American Conservatives vs American Liberals} {China vs most of the world} {Russia vs former soviet nations} {Greece/Armenia vs Turkey/Azerbaijan} and a huge list of other smaller wars and guerilla conflicts.
Before we begin, I will tell you the order in which I will state the evidence, so you can see how it fits together.
FIRST, I will show the bombshell reports dropped by Mainstream media on 10/15/2020+. We will talk about the claims being made.
SECOND, I will show you footage of whistleblowers talking about the information released by the mainstream media months and weeks prior to Hunter Gate, and Covid-19. Meaning they are credible sources. Their claims are being proven today, so the claims they made that haven't been proven yet are probably true too. We will talk about the specific claims and the damning evidence. Trust me, the evidence is damming, and the claims are horrific. I will also talk about how the Whistleblowers got this information, why they got it, and who has it now.
THIRD, we will evaluate the claims made by the "OG Leakers" that is what I will refer to this specific batch of leakers as for the rest of the document. We will tie in these leaks to many other pieces of the puzzle. We will prove that Epstein didn't kill himself, and much much much more.
Fourth, We will talk about the implications of this, and what the future holds.
CHAPTER ONE: HUNTER'S OCTOBER SUPRISE
On October 16th of the year 2020, just weeks away from the election, a political Nuke was dropped by the New York Post. They claimed to have access to a hard drive that including thousands of emails, photos, video's, and text messages belonging to Hunter Biden. We will talk about the way they received this information and why they received this information later.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/hunter-biden-emails-pics-reveal-wild-life-pained-soul/
http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/10/16/new-york-post-hunter-biden-photos-claim-to-show-
before-and-after-dental-work-to-fix-meth-mouth/
https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/10/15/photo-of-hunter-biden-smoking-crack-released-from-abandoned-laptop/
It started off, as some mildly corrupt dealings (Totaling in the millions) and some pictures of Hunter doing drugs. But later turned, into violent p0rn0s of Hunter sexually assaulting people, a list of secret deals between Russia, China, and the Biden's totaling the the BILLIONS, and many other corrupt schemes!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-chins-firm-emails-deal
https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-reveal-how-hunter-biden-tried-to-cash-in-big-with-chinese-firm/
The "Controlling Elites" worked to quickly silence this. On Twitter and Facebook posts mentioning the leaks where shadow banned, deleted, and censored. Their panic, partly contributes to the credibility of the leaks (Since they are trying really hard to censor them), and shows the media being a corrupt pawn in this sick game of power and sex. The Biden campaign is smarty choosing to completely ignore these claims, as if they outright deny them, they would have to prove their point. Which is impossible since you really cant deny these thousands of emails and photos that have valid timestamps and involve hundreds of people and lots of money. In fact, some media outlets are literally claiming this whole this is a crazy Qanon conspiracy lead by "right-wing-facist-whitesupremacist". They are deflecting, again they cannot logistically deny, they can only deflect/ignore/and discredit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hybkzCWb_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enyep7yAKxY
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-lashes-out-at-cbs-reporter-when-asked-about-ny-post-report-i-have-no-response-another-smear-campaign
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rnc-fec-twitter-complaint-claims-company-made-illegal-in-kind-contribution-biden-campaign
Look what happen if you search Hunter Biden on google, 90 percent of the results practically say FUCK TRUMP!
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS830US830&biw=800&bih=737&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALeKk03HYPuBe_NpAF1h0JshvQ5mUOohxA%3A1603334820460&ei=pPKQX5TWG5P4-gSntr6wDw&q=hunter+biden+laptop&oq=hunter+biden+laptop&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i433i131k1j0l9.2950.6198.0.6412.20.13.0.7.7.0.124.896.11j1.13.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.19.907.0..0i433k1.184.4jvXFV8F_44
Okay so that's the whole story right? Honestly its already pretty terrible if you think about it. But if you dig deeper it gets much worse! Get ready for some P3d0philic activity, some murder, and power grabs.
CHAPTER TWO: INTERCEPTION
From now on I will try to include 2 links to each video, one to a mainstream source, and another to a different source. This is because I think the following YouTube Videos are going to be deleted or censored any minute now, hopefully we can use wayback software to see the deleted videos. The point is, the timestamps on these YouTube videos show information leaked by the "OG leakers" was made weeks and sometimes months in advance to the headlines of Mainstream media today, and they have access to other claims and evidence that have not been released yet.
The first video is a English translated version of a summary of claims made by Lude Media on September 24th. Lude is an independent Chinese journalist who usually focuses on exposing corrupt Chinese officials, not Planet Wide Evil Schemes. Lude is credible because he works with and has direct contact with a man named Guo Wengui, Guo was formerly the 73rd richest many in China (That's pretty damn rich). Guo defected from the CCP and fled to America, where he now exposes his former Chinese Comrades corrupt schemes from his apartment in New York. Here is a link to information about Guo and another to Ludes Twitter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guo_Wengui
https://twitter.com/ding_gang
Mainstream media is slowly catching on to the fact that Guo Wengui and his associates knew about Hunter Gate and much more and where trying to ring the bells and blow the whistle on this months ago.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/chinese-billionaires-network-hyped-hunter-biden-dirt-weeks-before-rudy
Now what exactly where the claims Guo and Lude made? I will let you see for yourself. The following video is a summary of their claims, it was originally in Chinese but thankfully translated to English. It was posted on YouTube September 24th, and includes a string of clips made by Lude over the past few months. These claims include detailed evidence. Remember the date of this video, now read the headlines. The crazy statements he made are true, we will discuss the evidence later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXgULtz6cI
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HfcWb0AfsuOm/
Now that we have seen this sources credibility, and the claims he is making. Let's talk about how this information came to be. After all you would try really hard if you where part of a Pedophilic, Global, Crack eating, Cabal to keep that a secret right? So why was all this on a hard drive, and how did people find this hard drive. By the way, before we continue I need to clarify something important, the Cabal and the "Controlling Elites" Work together, but they are not a formal group (Not illuminati but all behave like it). Basically they all want similar things so they informally work together to get those things, unrestricted sex, ton's of Drugs, Loads of money, Egotistical Power, and a life of luxury. It's the extent they go, the fact they (As leaders of Humanity) do it, and the idea they informally work together to achieve this is important. Okay, so back to the point. This hard drive was originally indented to be used to blackmail mostly democrat government officials, and it was made by a prestigious group of people in the CCP. This is where the story gets complex. The prestigious group (which you will learn about in the following video) has 3 main motives. 1. They want American politicians to remain loyal to them, China rip's of America all the time, and they get away with it because they bought out politicians. Normal Americans are waking up to this, and their is allot of Anti-Chinese hatred not just in America but around the globe due to CoVid-19, Invasion of Hong Kong, Human rights violations, and Breaking many trade rules. They are afraid that democrats will try to appeal to voters by appealing to this sentiment, so they sent the blackmail to tell them, if you try to fight us, we will make you personally suffer. 2. This is also a power grab for this group of Prestigious Chinese people (Its complex so I will be simple.) This group wants Xi Jinping OUT, the hard drive contains many corrupt deals involving Xi and his gang and the Biden's. They are hoping they can squeeze out Xi and take the power for themselves. 3. They are trying to create unrest in America, unlike Russia, China is actually a real threat. They benefit off Americas Chaos, because it allows them to invade, and steal without repercussion sense America's attention is focused elsewhere. Here is a video detailing why the hard drive(s) where created and how they where located.
https://twitter.com/HimalayaGlobal/status/1316456905343074304
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OcaVxFJOTxzx/
Personally, I think the narrative that the hard drive was found by a computer fixer in Iowa months ago who stumbled upon a broken laptop is to good to be true (This is the narrative pushed by Mainstream Media.) However, it is true the FBI and many other big players had this information in their hands a long long long time ago. Their is evidence the FBI had a warrant to get this hard drive months ago from Hunter, for guess what (Child p0rn). We will talk about how the FBI is partially involved in fighting trump and some of these corrupt dealings later. Dear FBI if your reading this, seriously I'm just a normal dude that sits on my ass and mostly play's video games (But I write books about philosophy too). Also I support law enforcement and know all of you are not bad. Also I'm stating public information so yeah. Not tyrna get in trouble or anything, like just comment if you have a concern bro. Or like censor my posts Lmao. Also I am a kid believe it or not.
https://wearethene.ws/notable/152860
Here is evidence the FBI is working against Trump.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-archive-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/fbi-agents-text-reportedly-disclosed-by-justice-watchdog-well-stop-trump-from-becoming-president.html
Anyways, the official story goes that the Iowa Computer guy made 4 copies of the hard drive (Damn thats allot of work) 1 Went to the FBI, and he sent another copy to Rudy Giuliani because he didn't trust the FBI (Who would have thought!?). Rudy, a former New York Politician who is responsible for Crushing crime in New York, (And has ties to 9/11, lol thats not important just funny Rudy is a key part in two of the biggest conspiracies' known to the human race.) Anyways Rudy is the guy who apparently got that hard drive, than gave it to the New York Post. This is partially true, he is the guy who got it into the hands of conservative mainstream media, but his story about how he got it is probably false. Guess what, Their is a picture of Rudy and Lude (The OG leaker I mentioned earlier) holding hands and its a fairly recent picture, but you need to follow my instructions to see it. Watch this video again, BUT MAKE SURE YOU PAUSE THE VIDEO ON THE VERY FIRST FRAME.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OcaVxFJOTxzx/
Their is the iconic photo, I had another source of the photo, but I cannot find it anymore, I think it was taken down.
This is allot to take in I know, so lets take a laughing break together shall we? Here is a article I hope will make you smile.
https://pagesix.com/2020/10/17/matthew-mcconaughey-reveals-his-dad-died-while-makin-love-to-his-mothe
Damn, his dad is a legend, Anyways. back to the story.
CHAPTER 3: ANALYZING THE DATA
First and foremost, I have just given you access to a neat list of tons of evidence and sources. Please do your own additional research. So far we know Lude made the claim a hard drive was going to be released on Western media including a p0rn0 of hunter and a minor, Hunter doing illegal drugs, and a list of super corrupt business dealings, and information regarding the true essence of the Corona Virus. Lude also predicted Covid-19's impact on January 19th, months before the mainstream media of the world. If you want more info on that one, go look for yourself. In fact this is a short chapter. I challenge you to look at the list of Claims and evidence Lude, Guo, and now the mainstream media have on these corrupt dealings. Especially pay attention to the claims made by Lude that haven't come true yet!
Chapter 4: THE FUTURE?
Since the begging of the human race, people have fought other people to have a better life. As a philosopher and a biologist, I can tell you this is a natural concept. Most lifeforms do this. However, humanity is much more complex. Many humans in power have used their power in immoral ways to commit atrocious acts throughout most of history. But don't start saying yeah screw the rich and powerful. Remember people at the bottom "Normal/PooPeasants" do this too, but not to the extent of the Cabal. People at the bottom hurt each other and steal just for a loaf of bread, or a hit of dopamine, or a couple bucks. I believe in capitalism and am a Nationalist Libertarian. My point is this, the elite are corrupt! But that doesn't mean its communist time. Communism/Socialism is the worst form of government for the people and the best for the elite. CHINA is communist! This is because ironically Communism is just Capitalism, except the elite have a monopoly on everything, not just the economy, but also you. We must not allow America to fall for this trap. Our system can work, and it has worked. But democracy is only as good as the people who make it work. Its supposed to be We the people, yet for the past 40 years barely anybody shows up to the ballot box.
(Bias incoming)
I'm going to vote Trump, not because I support him personally, but because he is at least trying to really drain the Swamp. Life is special, we only get like 80 years on this planet. Like why we got to have all this evil stuff. We don't and it starts with changing our idea of success. We are taught to be successful you need to be surrounded by attractive sexual partners, have loads of cash, and be a cool party kinda guy. If you don't believe me go listen to some of the top music tracks in America over the past 5 years, mostly rap about (Hoes, Drugs, Power, and Chasin the Green). I ask you to stop sharing this idea. We are conscious animals on a rock floating through space, and their is science that can help us figure out why. I am an atheist and all this conflict (Which usually stems from Religion) makes me really depressed. With our technology, we could live forever. But my guess is that will be a honor only the elites will get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SbF6rdpq24
My fellow humans, right now we are being divided by race, religion, and sexual orientation in order to control us. And Ill be honest, the solution is not necessarily to unite. I don't believe in judging people by race or sexual orientation as long as they keep it to themselves. But I do believe that religion is the root of all this chaos. Muslims/Jews/and Christians/Athiest cannot live in harmony. And before you say I am discriminating, remember that race is something you cannot control, but religion is a choice. Religion is the root of all of this. I don't think religion is bad for the common man, but its simply not true. And it empowers the big guys.
Anyways that's my 2 cents. I'm gonna sulk alone now. Btw for anybody struggling with depression due to similar causes please watch this video, its what keeps me going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14
If you made it this far, please save my post and share. Before it's ya know, maybe censored. Dear people, please PLEASE save my post and share, do your duty as a fight for truth and justice! I give you all permission to repost this document whoever you want without attribution, other boards websites social media etc. Please share how you see fit.
Have a good life my fellow conscious beings, "Truth is stranger than fiction"
This song inspires me and it should inspire you, it describes how I feel perfectly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaSNZRbFsA
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2020.10.22 04:49 Rebelspy212121 Red Alert this is the big one my friends! Red Dawn style

DISCLAIMER: I have nothing illegal or classified, all sources used are public.
Warning I am being censored, I guarantee this post will be taken down soon. Save it now and start spreading it. I am going to prove the claims made in this video https://2020electioncenter.com/watch?id=5f8b7cca9d7ca5144824dc5e
Also do not link the post to any other sub reddits or share it with libtards, cause they will report it obv, this is just for spudgang and any homies they trust!
My fellow human's. Buckle your metaphorical seatbelts, because I am about to tell you a crazy story full of murder, drugs, sex, tax evasion, a bioweapon being released, billions of dollars of corrupt dealings, and much more sinister things. Unfortunately, I can factually prove most of it is true, and I will prove it here and now. Please note, I am not the original leaker. I simply put together a series of leaks together, and they fit together perfectly. I'm just a normal guy who likes to go behind the scenes of the News a little too much.
No matter what political side your on, please note what I am saying is mostly fact. I'll try as hard as possible not to be biased. These leaks involve both Republican and Democrat government officials, many well known Celebrities, Businessmen that lead Mega Corporations in the tech, energy, and medical sectors, Government Officials from other Countries such as Russia and China and many others, and the heads of many Major News Networks, and Social Media Outlets. The people I just mentioned will be referred to as "Controlling Elites" for the rest of this document.
By the end of this post I will prove to you the following:
A. Hunter Biden has made billions of dollars by corruptly using his families political power as leverage.
B. Hunter Biden has sexually assaulted minors and their are videos of it (He was honey potted by the CCP) and does Crack and Meth, so do many other "Controlling Elites". Most of which are compromised and do the bidding of the Chinese communist party for sex, money, drugs and because CCP has blackmail on em!
C. Joe Biden is also involved in these corrupt deals, and so is Obama, Hillary and many other "Controlling Elites", yes including some Republicans!
D. The information used in (Hunter Gate) was originally intended to be used as blackmail. Blackmail, from Chinese officials to democrat leaders, due to the anti Chinese sentiment in the USA. Sentiment the people of America have for China's corrupt handling of many things, China blackmailed many "Controlling Elites" to stay loyal to the CCP, and to quell the Anti-Chinese Sentiment.
E. The FBI, is actively trying to undermine Trump, and has had access to Hunter Gate and evidence of many other crimes committed by "Controlling Elites" (Example Epstein).
F. Their is political infighting in China, party officials are in a power struggle (You will see how this ties into Hunter Gate later). Party officials are planning to assassinate each other, freeze the oppositions financial assets, and much worse.
By the end I will make a good case for the following. (these are not yet facts, however, they are most likely true according to evidence.)
G. Corona Virus, is not a spontaneous natural disease. It was made in a lab. While it may not have been intentionally released, China decided to let it spread in order to distract people from Hong Kong so they could take it, cause chaos so they can invade Taiwan without opposition, have an excuse for the draconian measures currently taking place in China, and in the end gain allot of economic power since they had time to prepare a plan.
H. Qanon, is right to a certain extent. Their is a group of "Controlling Elites" that do abuse children (refer to Epstein). These "Controlling Elites" do perform weird rituals and do a ton of drugs. They are also right that the "Controlling Elites" actively monitor and censor much of the news and internet and do silence people that step out of line. They are partially false that Trump is not partially involved in some of these corrupt schemes (Probably committed some tax evasion), albeit, he is way less guilty compared to a majority of "Controlling Elites". However, they are right that Trump battling to try to expose some of these evil people (Maybe he had a change of heart and truly is a fighter for good now, or maybe he just wants to win his re-election and enlarge his ego, either way he is actively trying to "drain the swamp".) .
I. The US election will result in some sort of "day of reckoning" and possibly a guerilla style civil war. and eventually World War 3. This will be the result of 3 things. 1. Neither party will accept defeat, they will both claim the other party committed criminal acts and is rigging the votes, unfortunately both sides of that argument are right, Albeit the Republican is considerably more clean. 2. We will see groups like Antifa and Proud Boys clashing by voter stations, Mail in voting also will not work in states doing it for the first time, and we WILL have enormous amounts fraud. Most likely, we will never know who won the election of 2020. 3. The world is at a tipping point, no matter who wins the instability in America will create a ton of instability both financially, and politically for most of Planet Earth. The instability will most likely result in the following wars. {India vs Pakistan} {Europe vs Muslims} {American Conservatives vs American Liberals} {China vs most of the world} {Russia vs former soviet nations} {Greece/Armenia vs Turkey/Azerbaijan} and a huge list of other smaller wars and guerilla conflicts.
Before we begin, I will tell you the order in which I will state the evidence, so you can see how it fits together.
FIRST, I will show the bombshell reports dropped by Mainstream media on 10/15/2020+. We will talk about the claims being made.
SECOND, I will show you footage of whistleblowers talking about the information released by the mainstream media months and weeks prior to Hunter Gate, and Covid-19. Meaning they are credible sources. Their claims are being proven today, so the claims they made that haven't been proven yet are probably true too. We will talk about the specific claims and the damning evidence. Trust me, the evidence is damming, and the claims are horrific. I will also talk about how the Whistleblowers got this information, why they got it, and who has it now.
THIRD, we will evaluate the claims made by the "OG Leakers" that is what I will refer to this specific batch of leakers as for the rest of the document. We will tie in these leaks to many other pieces of the puzzle. We will prove that Epstein didn't kill himself, and much much much more.
Fourth, We will talk about the implications of this, and what the future holds.
CHAPTER ONE: HUNTER'S OCTOBER SUPRISE
On October 16th of the year 2020, just weeks away from the election, a political Nuke was dropped by the New York Post. They claimed to have access to a hard drive that including thousands of emails, photos, video's, and text messages belonging to Hunter Biden. We will talk about the way they received this information and why they received this information later.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/hunter-biden-emails-pics-reveal-wild-life-pained-soul/
http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/10/16/new-york-post-hunter-biden-photos-claim-to-show-
before-and-after-dental-work-to-fix-meth-mouth/
https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/10/15/photo-of-hunter-biden-smoking-crack-released-from-abandoned-laptop/
It started off, as some mildly corrupt dealings (Totaling in the millions) and some pictures of Hunter doing drugs. But later turned, into violent p0rn0s of Hunter sexually assaulting people, a list of secret deals between Russia, China, and the Biden's totaling the the BILLIONS, and many other corrupt schemes!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-chins-firm-emails-deal
https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-reveal-how-hunter-biden-tried-to-cash-in-big-with-chinese-firm/
The "Controlling Elites" worked to quickly silence this. On Twitter and Facebook posts mentioning the leaks where shadow banned, deleted, and censored. Their panic, partly contributes to the credibility of the leaks (Since they are trying really hard to censor them), and shows the media being a corrupt pawn in this sick game of power and sex. The Biden campaign is smarty choosing to completely ignore these claims, as if they outright deny them, they would have to prove their point. Which is impossible since you really cant deny these thousands of emails and photos that have valid timestamps and involve hundreds of people and lots of money. In fact, some media outlets are literally claiming this whole this is a crazy Qanon conspiracy lead by "right-wing-facist-whitesupremacist". They are deflecting, again they cannot logistically deny, they can only deflect/ignore/and discredit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hybkzCWb_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enyep7yAKxY
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-lashes-out-at-cbs-reporter-when-asked-about-ny-post-report-i-have-no-response-another-smear-campaign
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rnc-fec-twitter-complaint-claims-company-made-illegal-in-kind-contribution-biden-campaign
Look what happen if you search Hunter Biden on google, 90 percent of the results practically say FUCK TRUMP!
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS830US830&biw=800&bih=737&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALeKk03HYPuBe_NpAF1h0JshvQ5mUOohxA%3A1603334820460&ei=pPKQX5TWG5P4-gSntr6wDw&q=hunter+biden+laptop&oq=hunter+biden+laptop&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i433i131k1j0l9.2950.6198.0.6412.20.13.0.7.7.0.124.896.11j1.13.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.19.907.0..0i433k1.184.4jvXFV8F_44
Okay so that's the whole story right? Honestly its already pretty terrible if you think about it. But if you dig deeper it gets much worse! Get ready for some P3d0philic activity, some murder, and power grabs.
CHAPTER TWO: INTERCEPTION
From now on I will try to include 2 links to each video, one to a mainstream source, and another to a different source. This is because I think the following YouTube Videos are going to be deleted or censored any minute now, hopefully we can use wayback software to see the deleted videos. The point is, the timestamps on these YouTube videos show information leaked by the "OG leakers" was made weeks and sometimes months in advance to the headlines of Mainstream media today, and they have access to other claims and evidence that have not been released yet.
The first video is a English translated version of a summary of claims made by Lude Media on September 24th. Lude is an independent Chinese journalist who usually focuses on exposing corrupt Chinese officials, not Planet Wide Evil Schemes. Lude is credible because he works with and has direct contact with a man named Guo Wengui, Guo was formerly the 73rd richest many in China (That's pretty damn rich). Guo defected from the CCP and fled to America, where he now exposes his former Chinese Comrades corrupt schemes from his apartment in New York. Here is a link to information about Guo and another to Ludes Twitter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guo_Wengui
https://twitter.com/ding_gang
Mainstream media is slowly catching on to the fact that Guo Wengui and his associates knew about Hunter Gate and much more and where trying to ring the bells and blow the whistle on this months ago.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/chinese-billionaires-network-hyped-hunter-biden-dirt-weeks-before-rudy
Now what exactly where the claims Guo and Lude made? I will let you see for yourself. The following video is a summary of their claims, it was originally in Chinese but thankfully translated to English. It was posted on YouTube September 24th, and includes a string of clips made by Lude over the past few months. These claims include detailed evidence. Remember the date of this video, now read the headlines. The crazy statements he made are true, we will discuss the evidence later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXgULtz6cI
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HfcWb0AfsuOm/
Now that we have seen this sources credibility, and the claims he is making. Let's talk about how this information came to be. After all you would try really hard if you where part of a Pedophilic, Global, Crack eating, Cabal to keep that a secret right? So why was all this on a hard drive, and how did people find this hard drive. By the way, before we continue I need to clarify something important, the Cabal and the "Controlling Elites" Work together, but they are not a formal group (Not illuminati but all behave like it). Basically they all want similar things so they informally work together to get those things, unrestricted sex, ton's of Drugs, Loads of money, Egotistical Power, and a life of luxury. It's the extent they go, the fact they (As leaders of Humanity) do it, and the idea they informally work together to achieve this is important. Okay, so back to the point. This hard drive was originally indented to be used to blackmail mostly democrat government officials, and it was made by a prestigious group of people in the CCP. This is where the story gets complex. The prestigious group (which you will learn about in the following video) has 3 main motives. 1. They want American politicians to remain loyal to them, China rip's of America all the time, and they get away with it because they bought out politicians. Normal Americans are waking up to this, and their is allot of Anti-Chinese hatred not just in America but around the globe due to CoVid-19, Invasion of Hong Kong, Human rights violations, and Breaking many trade rules. They are afraid that democrats will try to appeal to voters by appealing to this sentiment, so they sent the blackmail to tell them, if you try to fight us, we will make you personally suffer. 2. This is also a power grab for this group of Prestigious Chinese people (Its complex so I will be simple.) This group wants Xi Jinping OUT, the hard drive contains many corrupt deals involving Xi and his gang and the Biden's. They are hoping they can squeeze out Xi and take the power for themselves. 3. They are trying to create unrest in America, unlike Russia, China is actually a real threat. They benefit off Americas Chaos, because it allows them to invade, and steal without repercussion sense America's attention is focused elsewhere. Here is a video detailing why the hard drive(s) where created and how they where located.
https://twitter.com/HimalayaGlobal/status/1316456905343074304
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OcaVxFJOTxzx/
Personally, I think the narrative that the hard drive was found by a computer fixer in Iowa months ago who stumbled upon a broken laptop is to good to be true (This is the narrative pushed by Mainstream Media.) However, it is true the FBI and many other big players had this information in their hands a long long long time ago. Their is evidence the FBI had a warrant to get this hard drive months ago from Hunter, for guess what (Child p0rn). We will talk about how the FBI is partially involved in fighting trump and some of these corrupt dealings later. Dear FBI if your reading this, seriously I'm just a normal dude that sits on my ass and mostly play's video games (But I write books about philosophy too). Also I support law enforcement and know all of you are not bad. Also I'm stating public information so yeah. Not tyrna get in trouble or anything, like just comment if you have a concern bro. Or like censor my posts Lmao. Also I am a kid believe it or not.
https://wearethene.ws/notable/152860
Here is evidence the FBI is working against Trump.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-race-and-ethnicity-archive-bdd3b6078e9efadcfcd0be4b65f2362e
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/14/fbi-agents-text-reportedly-disclosed-by-justice-watchdog-well-stop-trump-from-becoming-president.html
Anyways, the official story goes that the Iowa Computer guy made 4 copies of the hard drive (Damn thats allot of work) 1 Went to the FBI, and he sent another copy to Rudy Giuliani because he didn't trust the FBI (Who would have thought!?). Rudy, a former New York Politician who is responsible for Crushing crime in New York, (And has ties to 9/11, lol thats not important just funny Rudy is a key part in two of the biggest conspiracies' known to the human race.) Anyways Rudy is the guy who apparently got that hard drive, than gave it to the New York Post. This is partially true, he is the guy who got it into the hands of conservative mainstream media, but his story about how he got it is probably false. Guess what, Their is a picture of Rudy and Lude (The OG leaker I mentioned earlier) holding hands and its a fairly recent picture, but you need to follow my instructions to see it. Watch this video again, BUT MAKE SURE YOU PAUSE THE VIDEO ON THE VERY FIRST FRAME.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OcaVxFJOTxzx/
Their is the iconic photo, I had another source of the photo, but I cannot find it anymore, I think it was taken down.
This is allot to take in I know, so lets take a laughing break together shall we? Here is a article I hope will make you smile.
https://pagesix.com/2020/10/17/matthew-mcconaughey-reveals-his-dad-died-while-makin-love-to-his-mothe
Damn, his dad is a legend, Anyways. back to the story.
CHAPTER 3: ANALYZING THE DATA
First and foremost, I have just given you access to a neat list of tons of evidence and sources. Please do your own additional research. So far we know Lude made the claim a hard drive was going to be released on Western media including a p0rn0 of hunter and a minor, Hunter doing illegal drugs, and a list of super corrupt business dealings, and information regarding the true essence of the Corona Virus. Lude also predicted Covid-19's impact on January 19th, months before the mainstream media of the world. If you want more info on that one, go look for yourself. In fact this is a short chapter. I challenge you to look at the list of Claims and evidence Lude, Guo, and now the mainstream media have on these corrupt dealings. Especially pay attention to the claims made by Lude that haven't come true yet!
Chapter 4: THE FUTURE?
Since the begging of the human race, people have fought other people to have a better life. As a philosopher and a biologist, I can tell you this is a natural concept. Most lifeforms do this. However, humanity is much more complex. Many humans in power have used their power in immoral ways to commit atrocious acts throughout most of history. But don't start saying yeah screw the rich and powerful. Remember people at the bottom "Normal/PooPeasants" do this too, but not to the extent of the Cabal. People at the bottom hurt each other and steal just for a loaf of bread, or a hit of dopamine, or a couple bucks. I believe in capitalism and am a Nationalist Libertarian. My point is this, the elite are corrupt! But that doesn't mean its communist time. Communism/Socialism is the worst form of government for the people and the best for the elite. CHINA is communist! This is because ironically Communism is just Capitalism, except the elite have a monopoly on everything, not just the economy, but also you. We must not allow America to fall for this trap. Our system can work, and it has worked. But democracy is only as good as the people who make it work. Its supposed to be We the people, yet for the past 40 years barely anybody shows up to the ballot box.
(Bias incoming)
I'm going to vote Trump, not because I support him personally, but because he is at least trying to really drain the Swamp. Life is special, we only get like 80 years on this planet. Like why we got to have all this evil stuff. We don't and it starts with changing our idea of success. We are taught to be successful you need to be surrounded by attractive sexual partners, have loads of cash, and be a cool party kinda guy. If you don't believe me go listen to some of the top music tracks in America over the past 5 years, mostly rap about (Hoes, Drugs, Power, and Chasin the Green). I ask you to stop sharing this idea. We are conscious animals on a rock floating through space, and their is science that can help us figure out why. I am an atheist and all this conflict (Which usually stems from Religion) makes me really depressed. With our technology, we could live forever. But my guess is that will be a honor only the elites will get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SbF6rdpq24
My fellow humans, right now we are being divided by race, religion, and sexual orientation in order to control us. And Ill be honest, the solution is not necessarily to unite. I don't believe in judging people by race or sexual orientation as long as they keep it to themselves. But I do believe that religion is the root of all this chaos. Muslims/Jews/and Christians/Athiest cannot live in harmony. And before you say I am discriminating, remember that race is something you cannot control, but religion is a choice. Religion is the root of all of this. I don't think religion is bad for the common man, but its simply not true. And it empowers the big guys.
Anyways that's my 2 cents. I'm gonna sulk alone now. Btw for anybody struggling with depression due to similar causes please watch this video, its what keeps me going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14
If you made it this far, please save my post and share. Before it's ya know, maybe censored. Dear people, please PLEASE save my post and share, do your duty as a fight for truth and justice! I give you all permission to repost this document whoever you want without attribution, other boards websites social media etc. Please share how you see fit.
Have a good life my fellow conscious beings, "Truth is stranger than fiction"
This song inspires me and it should inspire you, it describes how I feel perfectly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaSNZRbFsA
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2020.10.22 04:30 pregadorchuck Our Father Who Art In Heaven (Higher State)

A Higher State

Matthew 6 is a cry, a plea that this tributary state of the Earth will conform to the Suzerain state of the heavenly realms:
“Our Father who is in heaven, may your name be treated as holy. 10 May your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us today our daily bread, 12 and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.[g]
14 For if you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins.
The forgiving of one another is the requirement imposed on the earth as a law from heaven. The request to receive sustenance and increase to feed demonstrates the relationship of the inferior state of the tributary in the view of the superior suzerainty. The part on the temptation is pointing out that "we are not alone". Be prepared for attacks and casualties from the adversaries.
The Lord's prayer has been in circulation for 1,988 years and has been "prayed" or recited over billions and billions of times. Now, we have to question, if the message of this petition from the tributary state (earth) to the suzerain state (heaven) has been understood as the Holy Spirit illuminates it on the soul of a worshiper.

Rebellion

There is a recent (say 10 years) revival among Christendom about the quality of the walk with Christ, in particular to obeying God. It is not a new concept from the Gospel by any stretch. But because it is like an ignored instruction from the manual, the proponents gave it a new shine and elevate an item that has always been one of the requirements. 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever; Note, the Lord did not say: in order that he "will be" ...

"May be" carries stipulations. In this offer, the stipulation is "to love Him". Have you been instructed to "love a person"? You understand the challenges. This command is a two-edged sword. You may certainly try to love God. But if you have ever tried, you may be drowned in sorrow from your own efforts. Let us be honest. There is a stipulation in this command that must carry the help from the Lord in the providence of the Holy Spirit, for one that opens the doors for loving God. God will keep that door open in the following promise.
15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever[i]— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him.[j] You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.
The worshiper who has for evidence the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is no longer operating in an earthly manner. He goes above the natural order. He is a son (heir, for both genders) of God.
For the one that loves Him, one keeps His commandments. This stipulation alone is met with rebellion in the last 10 years from within the Christendom, which I illustrate here called the tributary state, as a temporary kingdom within the earthly kingdom. If you must inquire, the earthly was given to Adam. satanas stole it from him using the Bilaam method of temptation. So now, satanas still has possession of the earth kingdom. The title deed has been repossessed by Messiah upon His full redemption using His blood and life. He has opened all seven seals and the possession date is scheduled by the Father. Unless you are an LDS person, everybody knows that earth as we know it will not last "forever". What is the use of inheriting something that will see its day as in 2 Peter 3: 5
For when[b] they maintain this, it escapes their notice that the heavens existed long ago and the earth held together out of water and through water by the word of God, 6 by means of which things the world that existed at that time was destroyed by[c] being inundated with water. 7 But by the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people.
The ungodly people will also be, according to Peter, destroyed in the fire. In Revelation 19, we understand Peter referred to the lake of fire.

Out of it comes two sides of a coin. You have those who deny obedience and raise the banner of (the fake) OSAS theory, and those who crash beyond the rails to the other extreme end of doing all laws and no love, such as the HRM movement. Both extreme ends of the last days movement prick at a weak chink in the Christian's armor that has been going on for 50 years since AW Tozer wrote about Christian liberalism. This last days movement seems to be a protest against, and is in defense of the sub-par status quo of the Apostate Church (the last age of the Church, as Laodicea in Revelation 3). However, both camps got it wrong when they focus on themselves. The OSAS person will only talk about themselves, how the Torah cannot touch them even if they commit all Ten Commandments (for instance) because "they are already saved from condemnation and judgment". I have no idea if it came from a bible from Mars or Venus, such fallicy that will say something as lawless as that. At the other end of the spectrum, we have these HRM Her Royal Mystery (Babylon) devotees, who love to talk also about themselves and how they observe the Law without giving homage to the Giver of the Torah. To me they seem to be a new breed, mind you, they are Gentiles, who literally look at the letter of the Torah without the Spirit's guidance in how Messiah fulfilled the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings (Matthew 517). For instance, the Torah instructs the covenant people to circumcise the foreskin of the male as a "sign of the covenant" (which is just a sign) and to circumcise the heart, the command that must be exercised, in order to worship God freely. The circumcision of the flesh is only a sign of the real deal in the heart, when the Sword of the Holy Spirit does His work on the individual. HRM refuses to circumcise the heart. They habitually elevate the Torah above the Giver, for the most part of it that I have seen in the last ten years. The real focus that we must come back to examine where the truth is goes back to the One who made the Covenants -- Elohiym. Is Elohiym from the earth? No. Reference Genesis 1 1 - 3 and 28 - 30. Is Messiah from the earth? No. Reference John 315 - 17 and 36.The Father reigns in heaven. Rebels have no time. satanas was cast out.
The Son was dispatched from heaven to earth. He is preparing earth as a tributary state with limited self-rule because right now He is not come back yet.

Upon the Second Coming, the Son will come to take over the tributary state (earth) and reign in presence for 1,000 years as the Sovereign. All the laws that you know today will be enforced on earth after the repo.
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2020.10.22 00:37 fenn2b Week 8 Match-up Preview Thread: Army West Point vs. Mercer Bears

Army vs. Mercer
When: Saturday, October, 24, 12:00 PM Eastern
Where: Michie Stadium - West Point, NY
Watch: CBS Sports Network
Odds: Army by 31.5 pts.
Total Points: 50.5
All-Time Series : Army vs. Mercer
Army and Mercer have met 1 time since 09/30/1933.
These teams last met 31,798 days (~87 years) ago on 09/30/1933.
Series Wins: Army 1-0-0 Mercer
Longest streak of continuous meetings: 1 (1933-1933).
Army has won the most recent meeting (1933) in this series.
Last 1 Meetings
Winner Date Location Army Mercer Notes
Army 1933-09-30 19 6 West Point, NY
Series Comparison Data via RivalryBot Database
Through Week 7
Week Army 5-1(0-0) Result Mercer 0-1(0-0) Result
1 Middle Tennessee 1-5(1-3) W 42-0 BYE N/A
2 ULM 0-5(0-2) W 37-7 BYE N/A
3 BYE N/A BYE N/A
4 Cincinnati#6 3-0(1-0) L 10-24 BYE N/A
5 Abilene Christian 0-2(0-0) W 55-23 BYE N/A
6 The Citadel 0-4(0-0) W 14-9 Jacksonville State 2-1(0-0) L 28-34
7 UTSA 3-3(1-1) W 28-16 BYE N/A
All rankings reflect the current /cfb poll
Army Injury Report
Not Available
Mercer Injury Report
Not Available
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2020.10.21 22:31 EuroleagueBot Post-Match Thread: Unicaja Malaga - Brescia Leonessa [EuroCup Regular Season, Round 4]

Event Date: October 21, 2020 20:45 CET
Stadium: MARTIN CARPENA
Attendance: 552 (Tentative)
Referees: CHRISTODOULOU, CHRISTOS; NEDOVIC, MILAN; CELIK, HUSEYIN
TEAM SCORE
Unicaja Malaga 86
Brescia Leonessa 69
BY QUARTER 1 2 3 4
Unicaja Malaga 24 17 16 29
Brescia Leonessa 12 23 19 15
Head Coach: CASIMIRO, LUIS
# Unicaja Malaga MIN PTS 2FG 3FG FT OREB DREB TREB AST STL TO BLK PF PIR
2 THOMPSON, DEON 11:36 3 0/3 1/2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
6 SANTOS, RAFA 1:04 2 1/1 1 1
8 BRIZUELA, DARIO 24:54 17 5/7 2/7 1/1 1 1 3 1 1 15
9 DIAZ, ALBERTO 31:31 9 3/4 1/4 1 1 8 2 1 2 17
10 ALONSO, FRANCIS 24:05 15 4/5 2/7 1/1 4 4 1 2 1 3 16
21 WACZYNSKI, ADAM 20:35 11 3/5 2/2 2 3 3 7
23 ABROMAITIS, TIM 23:53 9 3/5 1/3 2 2 1 1 6
32 GUERRERO, RUBEN 21:51 6 2/2 2/3 3 5 8 1 1 15
33 NZOSA, YANNICK 13:38 9 3/6 3/3 3 4 7 2 15
43 SUAREZ, CARLOS 4:31 3 1/1 4
52 GERUN, VOLODYMYR 4:31 1 1 2 2
83 BOUTEILLE, AXEL 17:51 2 1/2 0/3 2 2 2 -1
Team
Totals 200:00 86 22/35 11/32 9/10 7 21 28 14 8 8 1 17 96
Head Coach: ESPOSITO, VINCENZO
# Brescia Leonessa MIN PTS 2FG 3FG FT OREB DREB TREB AST STL TO BLK PF PIR
7 VITALI, LUCA 25:26 4 1/2 0/1 2/2 1 6 7 8 3 15
8 PARRILLO, SALVATORE 1:50
11 CHERY, KENNY 28:15 18 2/4 4/8 2/3 4 4 1 4 1 14
12 BORTOLANI, GIORDANO 14:45 2 1/3 0/1 1 1 1 2 2 -3
21 RISTIC, DUSAN 11:24 12 6/9 0/1 1 1 1 2 1 1 9
22 CRAWFORD, DREW 32:28 14 2/5 2/4 4/6 1 7 8 2 1 1 18
23 BURNS, CHRISTIAN 22:31 9 2/3 1/3 2/4 1 7 8 1 2 3 12
34 MOSS, DAVID 17:16 4 2/2 0/1 3 1 5
41 SACCHETTI, BRIAN 24:19 6 1/2 1/1 1/1 3 1 4 3 2 6
45 ANCELLOTTI, ANDREA 21:46 0/1 0/1 1 1 4 2 -5
Team 1 1 1
Totals 200:00 69 17/31 8/21 11/16 8 27 35 14 3 19 1 20 67
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2020.10.21 18:39 Drexlore Week 8 Match-up Preview Thread: Appalachian State Mountaineers vs. Arkansas State Red Wolves

Appalachian State vs. Arkansas State
When: Thursday, October, 22, 07:30 PM Eastern
Where: Kidd Brewer Stadium - Boone, NC
Watch: ESPN
Odds: Appalachian State by 12.5 pts.
Total Points: 66.5
All-Time Series : Appalachian State vs. Arkansas State
Appalachian State and Arkansas State have met 3 times since 11/15/2014.
These teams last met 743 days (~2 years) ago on 10/09/2018.
Series Wins: Appalachian State 2-0-1 Arkansas State
Longest streak of continuous meetings: 2 (2014-2015).
Appalachian State has won the most recent meeting (2018) in this series.
Last 3 Meetings
Winner Date Location Appalachian State Arkansas State Notes
Appalachian State 2018-10-09 Jonesboro, AR 35 9
Arkansas State 2015-11-05 Boone, NC 27 40
Appalachian State 2014-11-15 Jonesboro, AR 37 32
Series Comparison Data via Winsipedia
Through Week 7
Week Appalachian State 2-1(0-0) Result Arkansas State 3-2(1-1) Result
1 BYE N/A Memphis 2-1(1-1) L 24-37
2 Charlotte 1-2(1-1) W 35-20 Kansas State#19 3-1(3-0) W 35-31
3 Marshall#20 4-0(2-0) L 7-17 BYE N/A
4 Campbell 0-4(0-0) W 52-21 BYE N/A
5 BYE N/A Coastal Carolina#21 4-0(2-0) L 23-52
6 BYE N/A Central Arkansas 3-3(0-0) W 50-27
7 BYE N/A Georgia State 1-2(0-2) W 59-52
All rankings reflect the current /cfb poll
Appalachian State Injury Report
Data Scraped: 2020-10-16 20:00:03
Player Position Status Reported Notes
Corey Sutton WR Out For Season – Personal Tue, Sep 1 Sutton has announced that he will not participate in the 2020 season as he has decided to sit out due to COVID-19 related concerns.
Jacoby Pinckney WR Out For Season – Eligibility Tue, Sep 1 Pinckney has been ruled ineligible for the entire 2020 season due to NCAA eligibility regulations.
Jalen Virgil WR Ques Thurs – Illness Fri, Oct 16 Virgil missed the last game going through the COVID-19 protocol, and it is unknown if he will take the field Thursday versus Arkansas State.
Malik Williams WR Ques Thurs – Illness Fri, Oct 16 Williams was not active for the last game after he was contact traced to an active COVID-19 case. It has yet to be established if he will play Thursday against Arkansas State.
Zac Crosby TE Ques Thurs – Illness Fri, Oct 16 Crosby sat out the previous contest after coming in contact with the virus, and it is undetermined if he will line up Thursday against Arkansas State as he goes through COVID-19 protocols.
Christian Wells WR Ques Thurs – Illness Fri, Oct 16 Wells missed the previous game after he came into contact with COVID-19, and it remains to be seen if he will be a participant in Thursday’s matchup versus Arkansas State.
Marcus Williams Jr. RB Ques Thurs – Illness Fri, Oct 16 Williams Jr. missed the previous game as he is isolating due to COVID-19 tracing protocols, and it is undetermined if he will take the field against Arkansas State on Thursday.
Henry Pearson TE Ques Thurs – Illness Fri, Oct 16 Pearson sat out the previous game due to COVID-19 contact tracing isolation. It is unknown if he will suit up Thursday versus Arkansas State.
David Baldwin Griffin QB Out For Season – Personal Mon, Sep 7 Baldwin-Griffin has informed the program that he will sit out the entire 2020 season due to a personal decision.
Raykwon Anderson RB Out For Season – Personal Mon, Sep 7 Anderson has opted-out for the entire 2020 season due to concerns about the virus.
Mike Evans TE Ques Thurs – Illness Fri, Oct 16 Evans sat out the previous game due to contract tracing for COVID-19. It remains to be seen if he will be cleared against Arkansas State on Thursday.
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Arkansas State Injury Report
Data Scraped: 2020-10-16 20:00:03
Player Position Status Reported Notes
Antonio Fletcher DB Ques Thurs – Chest Fri, Oct 16 Fletcher was forced from the last game with a chest injury, and it is unclear if he will return Thursday versus Appalachian State.
Caleb Bonner LB Ques Thurs – Lower Body Fri, Oct 16 Bonner exited the previous game due to a lower-body injury, and it is uncertain if he will suit up against Appalachian State on Thursday.
Marcel Murray RB Ques Thurs – Undisclosed Fri, Oct 16 Murray has an unspecified injury, and it remains to be seen if he will be available Thursday versus Appalachian State.
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2020.10.21 16:04 BibleDiscourses Tightening the Grip (Political Rendering)

Tightening the Grip (Political Rendering)
  • Title: [Tightening the grip]
  • Creator(s): Tenniel, John, 1820-1914, artist
  • Date Created/Published: 1877 Dec. 1 [publication date]
  • Medium: 1 drawing : pencil, with red crayon on bristol board ; 23.4 x 18.1 cm. (sheet)
  • Summary: A large bear hugs a Turkish man, who clasps a bloody dagger, in a tight grip.
  • Reproduction Number: LC-USZ62-87772 (b&w film copy neg.)
  • Rights Advisory: No known restrictions on publication. No renewal in Copyright Office.
  • Call Number: SWANN – no. 710 (A size) [P&P]
  • Repository: Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division Washington, D.C. 20540 USA http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/pp.print
  • Notes:
    • No copyright information found with item.
    • Signed, lower right: JT monogram / 1877.
    • Title from Punch.
    • Bequest and gift; Caroline and Erwin Swann; 1974; (DLC/PP-1974:232.637)
    • The published version was accompanied by a poem encouraging England to condemn the Turkish massacre of the Bulgarian Christians and to support the Russians in the Turkish-Russian war, in progress in the Balkan region. England in the past had been a close ally of Turkey. Around 1876, anti-Turkish sentiment increased among the English and in particular, among Liberals, as a result of alleged Turkish brutality towards the Bulgarians. Former Prime Minister Gladstone, himself a Liberal, made a published appeal to the government and general population in a pamphlet entitled, The Bulgarian Horrors and the Question of the East (1876). Conservative Prime Minister Disraeli, a staunch supporter of Turkey, was infuriated by Gladstone’s effort to incite dissension and refused to change his policy. In a conference of world leaders held in Constantinople in December 1876, Turkey was pressured to make reforms in her treatment of the Bulgarians. The Turks refused and in early 1877, Russia declared war on Turkey. Disraeli’s government continued to stand by the Turks, offering financial assistance which threatened and eventually wore out the tired Russian army. Here, Tenniel comments on the war between Russia and Turkey, with the bear a symbol of the Russians.
    • Published in: Punch, December 1, 1877.
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2020.10.21 15:26 legercheap HALLOWEEN COMING

HALLOWEEN COMING
Today's Halloween Customs Are Thought To Have Been Influenced By Christian Dogma And Practices Derived From It. Halloween Is The Evening Before The Christian Holy Days Of All Hallows' Day (Also Known As All Saints' Or Hallowmas) On 1 November And All Souls' Day On 2 November, Thus Giving The Holiday On 31 October The Full Name Of All Hallows' Eve (Meaning The Evening Before All Hallows' Day)Witch Costumes.Since The Time Of The Early Church,Major Feasts In Christianity (Such As Christmas, Easter And Pentecost) Had Vigils That Began The Night Before, As Did The Feast Of All Hallows'. These Three Days Are Collectively Called Allhallowtide And Are a Time For Honoring The Saints And Praying For The Recently Departed Souls Who Have Yet To Reach Heaven. Commemorations Of All Saints And Martyrs Were Held By Several Churches On Various Dates, Mostly In Springtime.In 609, Pope Boniface Iv Re-Dedicated The Pantheon In Rome To "St Mary And All Martyrs" On 13 May. This Was The Same Date As Lemuria, An Ancient Roman Festival Of The Dead, And The Same Date As The Commemoration Of All Saints In Edessa In The Time Of Ephrem.
The Feast Of All Hallows', On Its Current Date In The Western Church, May Be Traced To Pope Gregory Iii's (731–741) Founding Of An Oratory In St Peter's For The Relics "Of The Holy Apostles And Of All Saints, Martyrs And Confessors". In 835, All Hallows' Day Was Officially Switched To 1 November, The Same Date As Samhain, At The Behest Of Pope Gregory Iv. Some Suggest This Was Due To Celtic Influence, While Others Suggest It Was a Germanic Idea, Although It Is Claimed That Both Germanic And Celtic-Speaking Peoples Commemorated The Dead At The Beginning Of Winter. They May Have Seen It As The Most Fitting Time To Do So, As It Is a Time Of 'Dying' In Nature.It Is Also Suggested That The Change Was Made On The "Practical Grounds That Rome In Summer Could Not Accommodate The Great Number Of Pilgrims Who Flocked To It", And Perhaps Because Of Public Health Considerations Regarding Roman Fever – a Disease That Claimed a Number Of Lives During The Sultry Summers Of The Region.

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By The End Of The 12th Century They Had Become Holy Days Of Obligation Across Europe And Involved Such Traditions As Ringing Church Bells For The Souls In Purgatory. In Addition, "It Was Customary For Criers Dressed In Black To Parade The Streets, Ringing a Bell Of Mournful Sound And Calling On All Good Christians To Remember The Poor Souls." "Souling", The Custom Of Baking And Sharing Soul Cakes For All Christened Souls, Has Been Suggested As The Origin Of Trick-Or-Treating. The Custom Dates Back At Least As Far As The 15th Century And Was Found In Parts Of England, Flanders, Germany And Austria. Groups Of Poor People, Often Children, Would Go Door-To-Door During Allhallowtide, Collecting Soul Cakes, In Exchange For Praying For The Dead, Especially The Souls Of The Givers' Friends And Relatives. Soul Cakes Would Also Be Offered For The Souls Themselves To Eat, Or The 'Soulers' Would Act As Their Representatives. As With The Lenten Tradition Of Hot Cross Buns, Allhallowtide Soul Cakes Were Often Marked With a Cross, Indicating That They Were Baked As Alms. Shakespeare Mentions Souling In His Comedy The Two Gentlemen Of Verona (1593). On The Custom Of Wearing Costumes, Christian Minister Prince Sorie Conteh Wrote: "It Was Traditionally Believed That The Souls Of The Departed Wandered The Earth Until All Saints' Day, And All Hallows' Eve Provided One Last Chance For The Dead To Gain Vengeance On Their Enemies Before Moving To The Next World. In Order To Avoid Being Recognized By Any Soul That Might Be Seeking Such Vengeance, People Would Don Masks Or Costumes Red Riding Hood Cosplay To Disguise Their Identities".
It Is Claimed That In The Middle Ages, Churches That Were Too Poor To Display The Relics Of Martyred Saints At Allhallowtide Let Parishioners Dress Up As Saints Instead. Some Christians Continue To Observe This Custom At Halloween Today. Lesley Bannatyne Believes This Could Have Been a Christianization Of An Earlier Pagan Custom. While Souling, Christians Would Carry With Them "Lanterns Made Of Hollowed-Out Turnips". It Has Been Suggested That The Carved Jack-o'-Lantern, a Popular Symbol Of Halloween, Originally Represented The Souls Of The Dead. On Halloween, In Medieval Europe, Fires Served a Dual Purpose, Being Lit To Guide Returning Souls To The Homes Of Their Families, As Well As To Deflect Demons From Haunting Sincere Christian Folk.Households In Austria, England And Ireland Often Had "Candles Burning In Every Room To Guide The Souls Back To Visit Their Earthly Homes". These Were Known As "Soul Lights".Many Christians In Mainland Europe, Especially In France, Believed "That Once a Year, On Hallowe'En, The Dead Of The Churchyards Rose For One Wild, Hideous Carnival" Known As The Danse Macabre, Which Has Often Been Depicted In Church Decoration. Christopher Allmand And Rosamond Mckitterick Write In The New Cambridge Medieval History That "Christians Were Moved By The Sight Of The Infant Jesus Playing On His Mother's Knee; Their Hearts Were Touched By The Pietà; And Patron Saints Reassured Them By Their Presence. But, All The While, The Danse Macabre Urged Them Not To Forget The End Of All Earthly Things." This Danse Macabre Was Enacted At Village Pageants And At Court Masques, With People "Dressing Up As Corpses From Various Strata Of Society", And May Have Been The Origin Of Modern-Day Halloween Costume Parties.
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2020.10.21 09:07 seoexpertdipum0 Ethical Voice Cloning - What Is It and How Can Companies Use It?

Ethical Voice Cloning - What Is It and How Can Companies Use It?

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Ethical Voice Cloning - https://www.respeecher.com/ethics
If you thought that ‘voice cloning’ and ‘deepfakes’ are recent buzzwords, think again. The first original record of mimicking human voice dates back to 1779, in Russia. Professor Christian Kratzenstein built acoustic resonators that mimicked the human vocal tract when activated by means of vibrating reeds (just like wind instruments), in his lab in St. Petersburg.
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2020.10.21 07:16 EnGoodz ❗ Famous Founder of the ‘Modern Gay-Rights Movement’ Harry Hay, Mentor was a Jesuit Priest & Says Wearing a Mask is for Homosexuals

Devout Roman Catholic, O.T.O Member, Liberation Theologian, & Famous Founder of the ‘Modern Gay-Rights Movement’ Harry Hay, Most Serious Mentor was a Jesuit Priest & Said Wearing a Mask is for Homosexual Occultists Practicing Communism

“After approximately ten years in South Africa, Big Harry set his sights on Margaret Neall at the formal dances, lawn tennis, and similar social occasions sponsored by the Martha Washington Club for American women in South Africa. Few stories of their courtship survive, save that Margaret’s parents disapproved; there was a seventeen-year age difference between the couple, and Hay was not Catholic. They may have also worried that despite his already accumulated riches, the demanding life of the ambitious, 42-year-old man would be taxing to whomever he married. In fact, he had just been offered the job of opening new gold mines in the uncolonized district of Tarkwa in the Gold Coast. But Margaret knew her own mind and was herself ambitious. Her military family had been genteel but never affluent, and when the handsome, wealthy man proposed, she accepted. As part of the arrangement, Big Harry converted to Catholicism and agreed that any children would be raised in the Catholic Church.”

“Harry’s most serious Mentor was a Jesuit Priest who invited him for weekly tutoring sessions on Philosophy and Religion, hoping (unsuccessfully) to persuade young Harry to take the cloth.”

“When in later years he told this favorite coming-out story, he referred to it ironically as his ‘child molestation speech,’ to make the point of how sharply gay life differs from heterosexual norms. ‘As a child,’ he explained, ‘I molested an adult until I found out what I needed to know.’ He recalled that Matt’s promise of a new world and a future served as a life raft during the isolated period of high school. Far from being an experience of ‘molestation,’ Harry always described it as ‘the most beautiful gift that a fourteen-year-old ever got from his first love!’ The following year, a rapidly maturing Harry broke with the Catholic Church. Like his father, he was not particularly Religious to begin with, but he attended Mass regularly at St. Gregory’s [Roman Catholic Jesuit controlled St. Gregory Nazi-anzen Church Bronson Ave, Los Angeles], at Ninth Street and Norton, to perform his bass solos in the choir. ‘When the soprano was absent, I could use my counter-tenor high head-tones to sing her part. Since the Congregation sat in front of us, nobody noticed that it was me. For the same reason, they didn’t notice when I slipped under the seats with the nice-looking tenor, George, and kissed during mass.’ The Saturday afternoon before Easter [Babylonian child orgy and sacrifice Feast of Ishtar, nowhere found in the Bible, Constantine replaced the Feast of Passover for it] of that year he waited, with many of the other Parishioners of St. Gregory’s, to endure the twice-yearly Confession. ‘Almost everyone in the Congregation was there,’ he recalled, as the Priest, Father Follen, took the Confessions one by one. When it was Harry’s turn, he made his confession, but ‘instead of telling me a penance, Father Follen asked, ‘And now, my son, have you thoroughly searched your soul and confessed to God all the sins you have committed for which you are truly repentant?’ I said yes, I was finished. It did fleetingly cross my mind about George and me, but already I was thinking that this was something that was not a sin, and was not wrong, and was beautiful, and some day I would find the words to tell people. So I said nothing more. ‘Suddenly, there was an abrupt drop in the temperature. I could feel it through the screen. His voice came back very low and very cold, and he gruffly repeated, ‘Have you finished?’ I said, ‘Yes.’ ‘You have not!’ he said. I realized in that instant that Father Follen knew who I was, which he was not supposed to—and that George had talked. ‘Are you going to say you are sorry?’ he asked. I wasn’t sorry, and there was nothing for me to confess. There was a moment of strained silence as he waited, then I heard him putting on his vestments. Before I knew what was happening, he reached into my side of the Confessional, grabbed me by the collar and by the back of the belt, and, in front of all those waiting people, marched me to the front of the Cathedral, kicked open the door with his foot, and pushed me out, shouting, ‘Don’t come back until you are ready to say you’re sorry.’ Harry never did. But when, during the Depression, he visited home from College, he sometimes went to St. Gregory’s, not as a Parishioner, but as a Musician, to play an occasional Mass. ‘From the pulpit, Father Fallon would thank me for the music, and then invite me to the Sacristy, where we would finish off the Sacramental wine. Then the old hypocrite would chase me around the table. But I never let him catch me. I was very wise by then.”

“Sometimes the kids from the Filth and Famine League would go hear Harry play the organ for the Los Angeles Lodge of the Order of the Eastern Temple, or O.T.O., [Jesuit Priest, see website for citations] Aleister Crowley’s notorious anti-Christian [pro-Catholic] Spiritual Group. Based on the [Jesuit created and controlled, see my website for citations] Order of the Golden Dawn, a Secret-Society concerned with the use of ritual sex in magic, Crowley’s Society was not so secret and was known to have created homosexual sex-magic rituals. The O.T.O. motto, [Jesuit Casuistry] ‘Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law,’ inspired the name of its mother Church, the Abbey of Thelema, which in Greek means ‘will.’ The original Abbey was in [Roman Catholic, Jesuit controlled] Sicily, but the Los Angeles chapter also called their meeting place Thelema, although the smallish quarters were in the attic of a four-story house in Hollywood. Regina Kahl, with whom Harry had acted, was high priestess of O.T.O., and she hired Harry to play the organ at Services. In keeping with the times, no one was openly gay, but the Lodge was run by a frail man named Wilfred Smith, who often performed ‘Exorcisms’ on attractive young men. Kahl, whom Harry described as ‘the biggest lez you ever saw,’ and two older women known as the Wolfe sisters were Priestesses. The Wolfe sisters wistfully hinted that sex-magic rituals would be nice if enough people ever joined the Los Angeles Temple—but enough never did. When the services were to start, remembered Harry, ‘a gong sounded and we’d get to the Chapel by ladder. The Congregation sat in pews facing a sarcophagus behind a gauze curtain. Regina, in a flowing robe, slit the veil with a sword and out came Wilfred wearing a snake diadem and a red velvet cape velvet cape made from a theater curtain. ‘I am a man among men,’ he would say. Then, taking Regina, who towered above him, he’d say, ‘Come thou virgin, pure and without spot.’ Many visitors had trouble keeping a straight face. Harry mischievously slipped ‘Barnacle Bill the Sailor’ or ‘Yes, We Have No Bananas!’ slowed to dirge tempo, into the contrapuntal themes he was hired to play. Frequently, he dropped into his [non] former Catholic Church to play a Mass earlier in the day just to balance his Sacrilege.”

“The simple fact of being in New York made even everyday events take on a more vivid quality. ‘Every Sunday there was a parade somewhere or other,’ Harry recalled, ‘parades for various Saints of the Catholic Church, for local candidates, for the neighborhood Junior High School. If we wanted to have a parade that was important to the Left, we’d have to check with the Junior High first.’ The Hays frequented parades.”

“John Lyon Burnside III had already met Harry at Gerald Heard’s house … Burnside’s background was respectable; … winding up as a staff Scientist at [Jesuit created and controlled, see website for citations] Lockheed. … Burnside was at once an attentive listener and as discursive as Harry, the perfect partner for Harry’s ongoing dialogues about gays. Though John arrived a nerve-racking three hours late to their first date, they postponed the chef ’s salad Harry had prepared for another five hours, which they spent in bed. They fell for each other at every level, as they found out how much they had in common. Burnside was also a westerner, from Seattle. Both were [non] lapsed Catholics, were close in age (Burnside was forty-seven; Harry fifty-one) and had weathered long Heterosexual marriages.”

“Harry got to know every Indian dance, every festival time, and the best route to every Catholic Cathedral and windowless Church of the Penitente Catholics. [Literally creating and performing the Roman Catholic black-magic Eucharist for his homosexual sex-magic rituals—that is to say—Roman Catholicism.] He baked his own recipe of high nutrition bread for the gay waifs who came for showers, dried apple chips when there was a bumper crop, and made wine from currants, pears and plums.”
—Stuart Timmons (Homosexual Idolater Author of Harry Hay); ‘The Trouble with Harry Hay: Founder of the Modern Gay Movement,’ pp. 24-25, 48, 54-55, 97-98, 134, 245-246, 247, (Boston: 1990) [Emphasis Mine]
His Jesuit mentor was beyond a doubt absolutely successful in his mission commanded to him by his Jesuit Superior.

From a May, 1951 interview with Jesuit Spiritual Coadjutor, Harry Hay; wearing a mask is for homosexual occultists practicing Communism (Jesuit created Ecumenical Liberation Theology)—:
“One masque group was known as the ‘Société Mattachine.’ These Societies, lifelong Secret Fraternities of unmarried townsmen who never performed in public unmasked, were dedicated to going out into the countryside and conducting dances and rituals during the [Roman Catholic] Feast of Fools, at the Vernal Equinox. Sometimes these dance rituals, or masques, were peasant protests against oppression—with the maskers, in the people's name, receiving the brunt of a given lord's vicious retaliation. So we took the name Mattachine because we felt that we 1950s Gays were also a masked people, unknown and anonymous, who might become engaged in morale building and helping ourselves and others, through struggle, to move toward total redress and change.” —Henry Hay (May, 1951)
—Jonathan Katz; ‘Gay American History: Lesbians and Gay Men in the U.S.A,’ p. 620-622, (New York: 1978) [Emphasis Mine]

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2020.10.21 01:46 John_Charles_Fremont /r/neoliberal elects the American Presidents - Part 54, Obama v McCain in 2008

Previous editions:
(All strawpoll results counted as of the next post made)
Part 1, Adams v Jefferson in 1796 - Adams wins with 68% of the vote
Part 2, Adams v Jefferson in 1800 - Jefferson wins with 58% of the vote
Part 3, Jefferson v Pinckney in 1804 - Jefferson wins with 57% of the vote
Part 4, Madison v Pinckney (with George Clinton protest) in 1808 - Pinckney wins with 45% of the vote
Part 5, Madison v (DeWitt) Clinton in 1812 - Clinton wins with 80% of the vote
Part 6, Monroe v King in 1816 - Monroe wins with 51% of the vote
Part 7, Monroe and an Era of Meta Feelings in 1820 - Monroe wins with 100% of the vote
Part 8, Democratic-Republican Thunderdome in 1824 - Adams wins with 55% of the vote
Part 9, Adams v Jackson in 1828 - Adams wins with 94% of the vote
Part 10, Jackson v Clay (v Wirt) in 1832 - Clay wins with 53% of the vote
Part 11, Van Buren v The Whigs in 1836 - Whigs win with 87% of the vote, Webster elected
Part 12, Van Buren v Harrison in 1840 - Harrison wins with 90% of the vote
Part 13, Polk v Clay in 1844 - Polk wins with 59% of the vote
Part 14, Taylor v Cass in 1848 - Taylor wins with 44% of the vote (see special rules)
Part 15, Pierce v Scott in 1852 - Scott wins with 78% of the vote
Part 16, Buchanan v Frémont v Fillmore in 1856 - Frémont wins with 95% of the vote
Part 17, Peculiar Thunderdome in 1860 - Lincoln wins with 90% of the vote.
Part 18, Lincoln v McClellan in 1864 - Lincoln wins with 97% of the vote.
Part 19, Grant v Seymour in 1868 - Grant wins with 97% of the vote.
Part 20, Grant v Greeley in 1872 - Grant wins with 96% of the vote.
Part 21, Hayes v Tilden in 1876 - Hayes wins with 87% of the vote.
Part 22, Garfield v Hancock in 1880 - Garfield wins with 67% of the vote.
Part 23, Cleveland v Blaine in 1884 - Cleveland wins with 53% of the vote.
Part 24, Cleveland v Harrison in 1888 - Harrison wins with 64% of the vote.
Part 25, Cleveland v Harrison v Weaver in 1892 - Harrison wins with 57% of the vote
Part 26, McKinley v Bryan in 1896 - McKinley wins with 71% of the vote
Part 27, McKinley v Bryan in 1900 - Bryan wins with 55% of the vote
Part 28, Roosevelt v Parker in 1904 - Roosevelt wins with 71% of the vote
Part 29, Taft v Bryan in 1908 - Taft wins with 64% of the vote
Part 30, Taft v Wilson v Roosevelt in 1912 - Roosevelt wins with 81% of the vote
Part 31, Wilson v Hughes in 1916 - Hughes wins with 62% of the vote
Part 32, Harding v Cox in 1920 - Cox wins with 68% of the vote
Part 33, Coolidge v Davis v La Follette in 1924 - Davis wins with 47% of the vote
Part 34, Hoover v Smith in 1928 - Hoover wins with 50.2% of the vote
Part 35, Hoover v Roosevelt in 1932 - Roosevelt wins with 85% of the vote
Part 36, Landon v Roosevelt in 1936 - Roosevelt wins with 75% of the vote
Part 37, Willkie v Roosevelt in 1940 - Roosevelt wins with 56% of the vote
Part 38, Dewey v Roosevelt in 1944 - Dewey wins with 50.2% of the vote
Part 39, Dewey v Truman in 1948 - Truman wins with 65% of the vote
Part 40, Eisenhower v Stevenson in 1952 - Eisenhower wins with 69% of the vote
Part 41, Eisenhower v Stevenson in 1956 - Eisenhower wins with 60% of the vote
Part 42, Kennedy v Nixon in 1960 - Kennedy wins with 63% of the vote
Part 43, Johnson v Goldwater in 1964 - Johnson wins with 87% of the vote
Part 44, Nixon v Humphrey in 1968 - Humphrey wins with 60% of the vote
Part 45, Nixon v McGovern in 1972 - Nixon wins with 56% of the vote
Part 46, Carter v Ford in 1976 - Carter wins with 71% of the vote
Part 47 - Carter v Reagan v Anderson in 1980 - Carter wins with 44% of the vote
Part 48, Reagan v Mondale in 1984 - Mondale wins with 55% of the vote
Part 49, Bush v Dukakis in 1988 - Bush wins with 54% of the vote
Part 50, Bush v Clinton v Perot in 1992 - Clinton wins with 71% of the vote
Part 51, Clinton v Dole in 1996 - Clinton wins with 91% of the vote
Part 52, Bush v Gore in 2000 - Gore wins with 88% of the vote
Part 53, Bush v Kerry in 2004 - Kerry wins with 89% of the vote
Welcome back to the fifty-fourth edition of /neoliberal elects the American presidents!
This will be a fairly consistent weekly thing - every week, a new election, until we run out.
I highly encourage you - at least in terms of the vote you cast - to try to think from the perspective of the year the election was held, without knowing the future or how the next administration would go. I'm not going to be trying to enforce that, but feel free to remind fellow commenters of this distinction.
If you're really feeling hardcore, feel free to even speak in the present tense as if the election is truly upcoming!
Whether third and fourth candidates are considered "major" enough to include in the strawpoll will be largely at my discretion and depend on things like whether they were actually intending to run for President, and whether they wound up actually pulling in a meaningful amount of the popular vote and even electoral votes. I may also invoke special rules in how the results will be interpreted in certain elections to better approximate historical reality.
While I will always give some brief background info to spur the discussion, please don't hesitate to bring your own research and knowledge into the mix! There's no way I'll cover everything!
John McCain v Barack Obama, 2008
Profiles
  • John McCain is the 72-year-old Republican candidate and a US Senator from Arizona. His running mate is Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin.
  • Barack Obama is the 47-year-old Democratic candidate and a US Senator from Illinois. His running mate is US Senator from Delaware Joe Biden.
Issues and Background
  • The United States and other countries are in the midst of what many are describing as the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. The crisis was largely triggered by a collapse in home prices, which in turn caused securities tied directly or indirectly to real estate to plummet in value. In September, major investment bank Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy. A day later, the Federal Reserve bailed out and essentially took control of insurance giant AIG. Credit markets were on the brink of meltdown. In early October, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which created an enormous government program to purchase "toxic assets" from banks and significantly increased the amount of insurance provided by the FDIC. Both McCain and Obama supported this rescue plan. Liquidity appears to have been restored, but the economic situation is still otherwise dire.
    • Senator Obama has described the current crisis as a "final verdict on eight years of failed economic policies promoted by George Bush, supported by Senator McCain, a theory that basically says that we can shred regulations and consumer protections and give more and more to the most, and somehow prosperity will trickle down." Obama has spoken of the importance of oversight over the TARP $700 billion, of the possibility of getting that money back, of making sure none of that money is going to executive pay or executive severance packages, and of following up the package with help for homeowners.
    • Senator McCain has said that what distinguishes him from Senator Obama on how he will lead the country out of the economic crisis is his commitment to get government spending under control. McCain has proposed a one-year spending freeze on "non-defense, non-veterans discretionary spending." McCain has criticized Senator Obama for supporting "pork-barrel spending" in the past.
  • The US occupation of Iraq continues. Last year, the Bush Administration oversaw a troop surge, and the conventional wisdom is that the situation has generally improved as a result. There are some indications that the security situation is improving and that the training of the new Iraqi military is working. That said, pressure on the US to withdraw has increased, as the Iraqi government has sought a withdrawal timetable and the US coalition partners have begun their own withdraw. Security responsibility for several provinces has already been transferred from US forces to Iraqi forces. However, earlier this year, General David Petraeus called for the delaying of troop withdrawals.
    • Both candidates accuse the other of failures of judgement. Senator Obama has criticized McCain sharply for supporting invading Iraq in the first place, while Senator McCain has criticized Obama for not supporting the 2007 surge. On the latter point, in January 2007 Senator Obama's stance was:
      The need to bring this war to an end is here. That is why today I am introducing the Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007. This plan would not only place a cap on the number of troops in Iraq and stop the escalation: more importantly, it would begin a phased redeployment of United States forced with the goal of removing all United States combat forces from Iraq by March 31, 2008.
    • Early this year, Democrats seized on a statement from Senator McCain in which he indicated that he would be comfortable with an American presence in Iraq for "maybe 100" years. He has stood by the comments, saying he was referring to a presence comparable to what the US has had in South Korea, Germany, and Japan.
    • Under the Obama plan for Iraq, a phased withdrawal of most troops would begin which would likely remove the US troop presence by summer of 2010. A residual force would remain "to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel."
    • Under the McCain plan for Iraq, the US would not leave Iraq "before Al Qaeda in Iraq is defeated and before a competent, trained, and capable Iraqi security force is in place and operating effectively."
  • Sarah Palin has received a significant amount of both positive and negative attention relative to most VP nominees. Supporters praise her history as a reformer, her advocacy for families with special needs children, and her ability to energize parts of the Republican base. However, critics have raised questions about her knowledge of policy and her readiness to be President if it became necessary. Some in the media have expressed frustration at their limited access to Governor Palin. This scrutiny increased following a poorly received interview with Katie Couric which included the following exchanges:
    COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
    PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land boundary that we have with Canada ... We have trade missions back and forth. We -- we do -- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where -- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to -- to our state.
    ...
    COURIC: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?
    PALIN: Well, let’s see. There’s, of course in the great history of America there have been rulings, that’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …
    COURIC: Can you think of any?
    PALIN: Well, I could think of … any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But, you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I’m so privileged to serve, wouldn’t be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.
    ...
    COURIC: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?
    PALIN: I’ve read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.
    COURIC: What, specifically?
    PALIN: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.
    COURIC: Can you name a few?
    PALIN: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn’t a foreign country, where it’s kind of suggested, “Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?”
  • Health care reform has come up frequently on the campaign trail. Both candidates recognize a need to increase coverage and lower costs.
    • The Obama plan includes requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions, a tax credit to incentivize small businesses to provide health coverage, requirements on large employers to provide health coverage or otherwise contribute financially to their employee's health care, and "a National Health Insurance Exchange with a range of private insurance options as well as a new public plan based on benefits available to members of Congress."
    • The McCain plan is to offer "a direct refundable tax credit ... of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance" and promote health savings accounts. McCain also seeks to make it easier to purchase health insurance across state lines.
  • Attention has also been given to the candidate's differing tax plans.
    • The Obama tax plan is to cut taxes for the middle class further than the Bush tax cuts did, while increasing taxes on the wealthiest 2% of Americans back to levels as they were in the 1990s. Senator Obama also seeks to implement a universal 10% mortgage interest tax credit, the elimination of income taxes for seniors making less than $50,000 a year, and an expansion of the EITC.
    • The McCain tax plan is to preserve all of the Bush tax cuts, phase out the Alternative Minimum Tax, cut the corporate tax rate to 25%, and establish a large R&D tax credit. Senator McCain also pledges to keep the Internet free of taxes.
    • In October at a campaign stop, Senator Obama was confronted by Joe Wurzelbacher, who has since become known colloquially as "Joe the Plumber", with concerns that he would be taxed more if Senator Obama were to become President. More recently, Wurzelbacher has made joint appearances with John McCain on the campaign trail. The McCain campaign has in particular seized on Obama's comment to Joe that "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
  • McCain, currently 72, would be the oldest first-term President if elected. McCain gave reporters an opportunity to review his full medical records, which showed that he is generally in good health and has relatively low risk of heart disease despite slightly elevated cholesterol and past issues with skin cancer.
  • If elected, Senator Obama would be the first African-American President of the United States. Obama was born in Hawaii, the son of a Kenyan economist and an anthropologist from Kansas. While many find the possibility of the first African-American President inspiring, particularly when combined with the optimistic rhetoric of Senator Obama's campaign, his identity has also been related to unique challenges for him during the campaign. Members of his own party during the primary implied that his success in the race was mainly due to his race. Former VP nominee Geraldine Ferraro said:
    If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.
    Senator Biden, now Obama's running mate, said:
    I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man.
    In addition, Senator Obama has faced false rumors that he was born in Kenya and that he is not Christian. Some argue that the spread of these rumors is motivated partially or entirely by racism.
  • Republicans have argued that Senator Obama is connected to problematic persons and organizations.
    • Roughly 40 years ago, now-professor Bill Ayers was a leading member of the militant Weather Underground Organization, which conducted a bombing campaign of targeting government buildings and financial institutions. Ayers first met Barack Obama through a non-profit reform project's board of directors, and later hosted a small informal event where a departing State Senator introduced Obama as her chosen successor. Through each of their active involvements in Chicago events and initiatives, they would serve on a couple of the same boards and panels in the years afterwards. There is virtually no evidence to support some Republican claims that Ayers was some sort of political adviser to Obama, who has referred to Ayers as "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8."
    • Senator Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, has been the subject of controversy related to several sermon excerpts. The excerpts include claims that the government lied about its advance knowledge of Pearl Harbor, that the government lied about "inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color," and his comment that "America's chickens are coming home to roost," interpreted by some to be referring to the 9/11 attacks given the date of the sermon. President Obama addressed the issue in a broader speech on race in March of this year. Senator Obama stated:
      I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely—just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.
      ...
      I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother—a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.
    • Pro-labor NGO ACORN has been accused by Republicans of orchestrating voter fraud, though further investigation has revealed this claim to be overstated at best. ACORN has hired people in the past to assist in voter registration, and sometimes these workers have come up with phony registrations - however, this issue seems to be motivated by laziness of individual workers rather than an attempt to conduct voter fraud. Obama served as a local counsel for ACORN in the 90s, and was endorsed by the ACORN political action committee during the primary. The Obama campaign also hired an ACORN affiliate for get-out-the-vote efforts during the primary.
  • Representative John Lewis, a civil rights icon, has received blowback for comments he made regarding the tone of the McCain/Palin campaign. Lewis accused the campaign of "sowing the seeds of hatred and division," and brought up the example of George Wallace never throwing a bomb or firing a gun but creating "the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans." McCain called the comments "hurtful" and called on Senator Obama to repudiate the comments. The Obama campaign has said that the comparison made by Rep. Lewis was inappropriate.
  • Senator McCain describes himself as a "free trader" and has criticized Senator Obama for opposing some free trade agreements. The Obama team has pledged to "use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks." Senator Obama has also pledged to "fix" NAFTA.
Debate Excerpts
First Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Obama on government spending:
John, it's been your president who you said you agreed with 90 percent of the time who presided over this increase in spending. This orgy of spending and enormous deficits you voted for almost all of his budgets. So to stand here and after eight years and say that you're going to lead on controlling spending and, you know, balancing our tax cuts so that they help middle class families when over the last eight years that hasn't happened I think just is, you know, kind of hard to swallow.
(2) McCain on Iraq:
I think the lessons of Iraq are very clear that you cannot have a failed strategy that will then cause you to nearly lose a conflict. Our initial military success, we went in to Baghdad and everybody celebrated. And then the war was very badly mishandled. I went to Iraq in 2003 and came back and said, we've got to change this strategy. This strategy requires additional troops, it requires a fundamental change in strategy and I fought for it. And finally, we came up with a great general and a strategy that has succeeded.
(3) Obama on meeting foreign adversaries "without precondition":
I reserve the right, as president of the United States to meet with anybody at a time and place of my choosing if I think it's going to keep America safe ... Now, understand what this means "without preconditions." It doesn't mean that you invite them over for tea one day. What it means is that we don't do what we've been doing, which is to say, "Until you agree to do exactly what we say, we won't have direct contacts with you."
(4) McCain on Iran:
My reading of the threat from Iran is that if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, it is an existential threat to the State of Israel and to other countries in the region because the other countries in the region will feel compelling requirement to acquire nuclear weapons as well.
Now we cannot have a second Holocaust. Let's just make that very clear. What I have proposed for a long time, and I've had conversation with foreign leaders about forming a league of democracies, let's be clear and let's have some straight talk. The Russians are preventing significant action in the United Nations Security Council.
Vice-Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Biden on what his administration would look like if a President Obama were to die in office:
God forbid that would ever happen, it would be a national tragedy of historic proportions if it were to happen.
But if it did, I would carry out Barack Obama's policy, his policies of reinstating the middle class, making sure they get a fair break, making sure they have access to affordable health insurance, making sure they get serious tax breaks, making sure we can help their children get to college, making sure there is an energy policy that leads us in the direction of not only toward independence and clean environment but an energy policy that creates 5 million new jobs, a foreign policy that ends this war in Iraq, a foreign policy that goes after the one mission the American public gave the president after 9/11, to get and capture or kill bin Laden and to eliminate al Qaeda. A policy that would in fact engage our allies in making sure that we knew we were acting on the same page and not dictating.
(2) Palin on what her administration would look like if a President McCain were to die in office:
And heaven forbid, yes, that would ever happen, no matter how this ends up, that that would ever happen with either party.
As for disagreeing with John McCain and how our administration would work, what do you expect? A team of mavericks, of course we're not going to agree on 100 percent of everything. As we discuss ANWR there, at least we can agree to disagree on that one. I will keep pushing him on ANWR. I have so appreciated he has never asked me to check my opinions at the door and he wants a deliberative debate and healthy debate so we can make good policy.
What I would do also, if that were to ever happen, though, is to continue the good work he is so committed to of putting government back on the side of the people and get rid of the greed and corruption on Wall Street and in Washington.
Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall) (full transcript)
(1) McCain on nuclear energy:
But we kept the debate going, and we kept this issue to -- to posing to Americans the danger that climate change opposes. Now, how -- what's -- what's the best way of fixing it? Nuclear power. Senator Obama says that it has to be safe or disposable or something like that. Look, I -- I was on Navy ships that had nuclear power plants. Nuclear power is safe, and it's clean, and it creates hundreds of thousands of jobs.
(2) Obama on McCain's criticism that he's being reckless on foreign policy:
Senator McCain, this is the guy who sang, "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," who called for the annihilation of North Korea. That I don't think is an example of "speaking softly." This is the person who, after we had -- we hadn't even finished Afghanistan, where he said, "Next up, Baghdad."
(3) McCain on Russia:
I said before, watch Ukraine. Ukraine, right now, is in the sights of Vladimir Putin, those that want to reassemble the old Soviet Union. We've got to show moral support for Georgia.We've got to show moral support for Ukraine. We've got to advocate for their membership in NATO. We have to make the Russians understand that there are penalties for these this kind of behavior, this kind of naked aggression into Georgia, a tiny country and a tiny democracy.
(4) Obama on spending priorities:
You know, you may have seen your health care premiums go up. We've got to reform health care to help you and your budget. We are going to have to deal with energy because we can't keep on borrowing from the Chinese and sending money to Saudi Arabia. We are mortgaging our children's future. We've got to have a different energy plan. We've got to invest in college affordability. So we're going to have to make some investments, but we've also got to make spending cuts. And what I've proposed, you'll hear Senator McCain say, well, he's proposing a whole bunch of new spending, but actually I'm cutting more than I'm spending so that it will be a net spending cut.
Third Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) McCain on Obama's economic plans:
I don't think there's any doubt that Sen. Obama wants to restrict trade and he wants to raise taxes. And the last president of the United States that tried that was Herbert Hoover, and we went from a deep recession into a depression.
(2) Obama on comments by Congressman Lewis:
I mean, look, if we want to talk about Congressman Lewis, who is an American hero, he, unprompted by my campaign, without my campaign's awareness, made a statement that he was troubled with what he was hearing at some of the rallies that your running mate was holding, in which all the Republican reports indicated were shouting, when my name came up, things like "terrorist" and "kill him," and that your running mate didn't mention, didn't stop, didn't say "Hold on a second, that's kind of out of line."
(3) McCain on Obama's connections:
I don't care about an old washed-up terrorist [Bill Ayers]. But as Sen. Clinton said in her debates with you, we need to know the full extent of that relationship.
We need to know the full extent of Sen. Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy. The same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for "lighting and site selection." So all of these things need to be examined, of course.
(4) Obama on who he associates with:
Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. If I'm interested in figuring out my foreign policy, I associate myself with my running mate, Joe Biden or with Dick Lugar, the Republican ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or General Jim Jones, the former supreme allied commander of NATO.
Those are the people, Democrats and Republicans, who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House. And I think the fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign, Sen. McCain, says more about your campaign than it says about me.
Platforms
Read the full 2008 Republican platform here.
Read the full 2008 Democratic platform here.
Internet Resources
Obama/Biden Website
McCain/Palin Website
The GOP's BarackBook
The Obama Campaign's Fight the Smears
Videos
Debates
First Presidential Debate
Vice-Presidential Debate
Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall)
Third Presidential Debate
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2020.10.20 23:05 veneziafcbot [Post Match Thread] Venezia - Pescara = 4-0 (Serie B)

Main information

Lineups & Formations

Num Venezia Starting XI ( 4-3-1-2 ) Pos
12 Luca Lezzerini G
7 Pasquale Mazzocchi D
13 Marco Modolo D
32 Pietro Ceccaroni D
3 Cristian Molinaro D
16 Luca Fiordilino M
5 Antonio Junior Vacca M
29 Youssef Maleh M
11 Francesco Forte M
17 Dennis Johnsen F
10 Mattia Aramu F
 
Num Venezia substitutes Pos
22 Alberto Pomini G
15 Antonio Marino D
2 Gabriele Ferrarini D
14 Gian Filippo Felicioli D
33 Domen Črnigoj M
19 Bjarki Steinn Bjarkason F
4 Anthony Taugourdeau M
30 Michael Svoboda D
18 Domenico Rossi M
20 Francesco Di Mariano F
9 Alessandro Capello F
28 Óttar Magnús Karlsson F
   
Num Pescara Starting XI ( 4-3-2-1 ) Pos
1 Vincenzo Fiorillo G
14 Antonio Balzano D
5 Mirko Drudi D
16 Salvatore Bocchetti D
47 Mardochee Nzita D
8 Ledian Memushaj M
40 Stephane Omeonga M
88 Amadou Diambo M
11 Cristian Galano M
27 Alessio Riccardi M
24 Christian Capone F
 
Num Pescara substitutes Pos
46 Fabrizio Alastra G
21 Christian Ventola D
6 Gennaro Scognamiglio D
44 Paweł Jaroszyński D
26 Rodrigo Guth D
19 Edoardo Masciangelo D
34 Leandro Fernandes M
10 Mirko Valdifiori M
31 Massimiliano Busellato M
29 Alessandro Arlotti M
7 Miloš Bočić F
18 Nicolas Belloni F

Match summary

  • 22': A. Diambo (Pescara) gets a Yellow Card
  • 29': C. Molinaro (Venezia) gets a Yellow Card
  • 33': A. Vacca (Venezia) gets a Yellow Card
  • 33': M. Nzita (Pescara) gets a Yellow Card
  • 45': M. Aramu (Venezia) scores a Goal [1-0]
  • 46': M. Bocic (Pescara) substitutes A. Riccardi
  • 46': C. Ventola (Pescara) substitutes A. Balzano
  • 47': F. Forte (Venezia) scores a Goal [2-0]
  • 58': E. Masciangelo (Pescara) substitutes L. Memushaj
  • 67': D. Crnigoj (Venezia) substitutes A. Vacca
  • 67': O. Karlsson (Venezia) substitutes F. Forte
  • 67': N. Belloni (Pescara) substitutes C. Galano
  • 67': M. Busellato (Pescara) substitutes A. Diambo
  • 73': M. Nzita (Pescara) gets a Yellow Card
  • 73': M. Nzita (Pescara) gets a Red Card
  • 77': B. S. Bjarkason (Venezia) substitutes M. Aramu
  • 77': A. Marino (Venezia) substitutes C. Molinaro
  • 81': Y. Maleh (Venezia) scores a Goal [3-0]
  • 84': D. Rossi (Venezia) substitutes A. Fiordilino
  • 85': S. Omeonga (Pescara) gets a Yellow Card
  • 90': O. Karlsson (Venezia) scores a Goal [4-0]
 

Player Rating

Venezia

Num Player Pos Rating Min. Played Offside Shots (total/on) Goals Assists Pass Accuracy Tackles Fouls (dwn/cmtd)
12 Luca Lezzerini G 7 88 25% 0/0
7 Pasquale Mazzocchi D 7.5 88 26% 1 1/0
13 Marco Modolo D 6.6 88 52% 0/1
32 Pietro Ceccaroni D 7.2 88 60% 1 1/0
3 Cristian Molinaro D 7 77 43% 1 1/1
16 Luca Fiordilino M 7.2 84 1/1 21% 2 3/0
5 Antonio Junior Vacca M 7.2 67 37% 2 1/2
29 Youssef Maleh M 8.2 88 1/1 1 1 27% 1 1/1
11 Francesco Forte M 7.2 67 3/2 1 7% 1/2
17 Dennis Johnsen F 6.9 88 3/0 1 16% 2 0/1
10 Mattia Aramu F 7.9 77 2/2 1 18% 2 3/1
22 Alberto Pomini G 0% 0/0
15 Antonio Marino D 6.5 11 2% 0/0
2 Gabriele Ferrarini D 0% 0/0
14 Gian Filippo Felicioli D 0% 0/0
33 Domen Črnigoj M 6.6 21 1/1 2% 0/0
19 Bjarki Steinn Bjarkason F 6.3 11 0% 0/0
4 Anthony Taugourdeau M 0% 0/0
30 Michael Svoboda D 0% 0/0
18 Domenico Rossi M 4 4% 0/0
20 Francesco Di Mariano F 0% 0/0
9 Alessandro Capello F 0% 0/0
28 Óttar Magnús Karlsson F 6.2 21 5% 1 0/1
 

Pescara

Num Player Pos Rating Min. Played Offside Shots (total/on) Goals Assists Pass Accuracy Tackles Fouls (dwn/cmtd)
1 Vincenzo Fiorillo G 6.7 88 5% 0/0
14 Antonio Balzano D 6.6 45 21% 3 1/0
5 Mirko Drudi D 7 88 58% 5 1/0
16 Salvatore Bocchetti D 6.5 88 70% 1/2
47 Mardochee Nzita D 6 73 47% 1/3
8 Ledian Memushaj M 6.9 58 38% 2/0
40 Stephane Omeonga M 7.3 88 51% 4 1/1
88 Amadou Diambo M 6.5 67 1/1 29% 1 1/2
11 Cristian Galano M 6.2 67 1/0 20% 1/1
27 Alessio Riccardi M 6.3 45 17% 1 1/1
24 Christian Capone F 6.9 88 1/0 25% 1 0/2
46 Fabrizio Alastra G **** 0% 0/0
21 Christian Ventola D 6.3 43 14% 0/0
6 Gennaro Scognamiglio D **** 0% 0/0
44 Paweł Jaroszyński D **** 0% 0/0
26 Rodrigo Guth D **** 0% 0/0
19 Edoardo Masciangelo D 6.2 30 23% 0/0
34 Leandro Fernandes M **** 0% 0/0
10 Mirko Valdifiori M **** 0% 0/0
31 Massimiliano Busellato M 6.3 21 11% 0/0
29 Alessandro Arlotti M **** 0% 0/0
7 Miloš Bočić F 6.6 43 11% 0/0
18 Nicolas Belloni F 6.5 21 1% 0/2

Statistics

Venezia   Pescara
7 Shots on Goal 1
4 Shots off Goal 2
12 Total Shots 3
1 Blocked Shots 0
9 Shots Inside Box 3
3 Shots Outside Box 0
10 Fouls 14
6 Corner Kicks 6
1 Offsides 2
45% Ball Possession 55%
2 Yellow Cards 4
0 Red Cards 1
1 GK Saves 4
402 Total Passes 512
345 Passes Accurate 441
86% Passes % 86%
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2020.10.20 21:22 NFLPowerRankers Official r/NFL Week 6 Power Rankings

Week 6 Official NFL Power Rankings are here! With almost half of the top ten teams losing and almost half of bottom ten winning, look for shakeups galore. Who's ready to be mad? Discuss! 32/32 Reporting
# Team Δ Record Comment
1. Chiefs +2 5-1 The Chiefs bounced back in a big way against the Bills by...running the ball? Kansas City rushed for the most yards in a game since 2012, and this was the most rushing yards by an Andy Reid led team ever. Clyde Edwards-Helaire had an impressive night running the ball behind a patchwork offensive line that still had an amazing day. Nick Allegretti and Daniel Kilgore, especially, performed amazingly. If this rushing attack can continue and the defense can continue to also play well, the Chiefs will add another sorely needed dimension to their arsenal. An arsenal Le'Veon Bell is now powering up.
2. Seahawks -- 5-0 Week 6 saw the Seahawks become the only undefeated team left in the NFC. Look for that to continue this week in Arizona. Russell Unlimited is coming for that MVP vote baby. 😎
3. Ravens +1 5-1 5-1 going into the bye with an offense that does not look great, but the 20+ streak lives on another week. The Ravens really fought off some refball valiantly as the game ended, but that defense was ferocious, and the offense can keep experimenting as teams get HUMPED!!!!!
4. Steelers +2 5-0 Although the Steelers have one less game played for cumulative stats, even on average, the defense is near the top of the NFL in most categories. A depleted Browns team found that out the hard way when their promising start was interrupted with a rude wake-up call, courtesy of Pittsburgh's defense. Cleveland came into that game arguably the hottest rushing team in the league and were held to just 75 yards. Now, after 4 straight home games, the Steelers have to try and continue this pace with 4 of 5 on the road starting at Tennessee to decide who will potentially be left with a perfect record in the AFC.
5. Titans -- 5-0 Derrick Henry had another 200+ 2 TD rushing game and outgained the Jets, Bears, Giants, Browns and Packers in total yards on Sunday. All attention turns to the upcoming battle of two 5-0 teams against the Steelers.
6. Packers -5 4-1 apolgy for poor run d. when were you when aron threw pick6? i was at house eating dorito when phone ring. "aron is kil". "no"
7. Buccaneers +6 4-2 The Buccaneers played a romper stomper on Sunday, upsetting the undefeated Packers 38-10 (after starting down 10-0). Ronald Jones rolled through his third straight 100 yard rushing game, the defense generated 24 pressures on Aaron Rodgers (including 2 interceptions), and 0 penalties were committed. If this is the Buccaneer football the team produces for the rest of the year, they will be a contender deep into playoffs. Next up, the Las Vegas Raiders, where Center Rodney Hudson is expected to go AWOL in Tijuana the night before the big game.
8. Bills -1 4-2 The Bills are reeling off of two straight losses, and for the first time in years most of the blame can go on the defense. No semblance of a pass rush, and an anemic run D have plagued the team in two consecutive weeks now. With that being said: the Bills are 4-2, lead their division by a game, go into what should be a “gimme” against an awful Jets team, and Josh Allen is still a franchise QB. Things could be a lot better, but they could also be a whole lot worse.
9. Rams -1 4-2 The 2020 NLCS had it all: Close battles, big blowouts, amazing defensive plays, grand slams, TOOTBLANs, and best of all, blowing a 3-1 lead. The Dodgers are now headed to their third World Series in four years, and while immensely grateful to the Rays for eliminating the cheaters, after a decade of postseason pain, the mantra among Dodger fans is “please just win it this time.”
10. Bears +4 5-1 Have the Bears earned your respect yet? Their defense continues to flash hard hits, rattle quarterbacks, and keep teams out of the endzone. The Monsters rank in the top (bottom?) 6 in points allowed, yards/play allowed, touchdowns given up, and third down conversions. They lead the league in red zone defense too -- allowing opponents to score a touchdown on only 36%! of red zone possesions. The biggest weakness of this team is clearly the offensive line, which can't seem to find a way to open up room to run no matter who they're facing. The next three games (@LAR, NOS, @TEN) may determine for many if the Bears are contenders or simply good-but-not-great.
11. Raiders -1 3-2 The Raiders score points on 56% of their drives, averaging 3.04 points per drive, both of which are near, or tops in the league. They will need to keep scoring at a similar or better pace against the Bucs who are coming off a very strong win against the Packers this week. The Raiders have a few key players returning from injury this week which should help bolster their defense which is coming off a strong performance against the Chiefs their last time out. Holding them to only 8 points in the second half of the Raiders dominant win.
12. Saints -1 3-2 Much like how Fulcanelli, it's clear Sean Payton possesses great knowledge which can be used to improve his team, but he needs to ensure it doesn't get lost; as with Fulcanelli's knowledge after the Liberation of Paris. The Saints need to put the bye round to good use to ensure this team snaps out of the mire of mediocrity it's been stuck in to start the season lest the resurgent Bucs and Panthers overtake them.
13. Cardinals +3 4-2 That was one of the more memorable Monday Night Football games for Cardinals fans. The Red Rifle had Cardinal hunting in mind, but Budda Baker and the defense were having none of it as they mostly shut down the Cowboy offense and created 4 turnovers. On offense Murray's throws were a little off, but the team seemed much more balanced and fluid as Kenyan Drake had a huge game on the ground. Hopefully the team can use this as momentum as they'll face a well rested division leading Seahawks team next week.
14. Colts +1 4-2 The Colts dug themselves out from under a 21-0 deficit and managed to escape with a 31-27 victory on Sunday. The death of Phillip Rivers has been postponed temporarily; 17 made it happen in his best game as a Colt to date. Extra shout out to Jack Doyle for hauling in a beautiful TD. At 4-2, Indy looks to catch up with the resurgent Titans for control of the AFC South.
15. Browns -6 4-2 Browns fans have a lot to reflect on after the Steelers game. The Browns will take on the Bengals, at home, in a game everyone is sure to tune into.
16. 49ers +2 3-3 The return of Emmanuel Moseley changed the entire look of the defense. Instead of being a weakness, the secondary looked like the strength of the defense against the Rams this week. On the other side of the ball, the Offensive line played a flawless game, allowing 0 sacks on Jimmy G. Both sides of the football will have to be at the top of their game for the stretch of games ahead (@NE, @Sea, GB, @NO, @LAR).
17. Patriots -5 2-3 Hard to gauge what's going on with the team without practice, that being said they did not look great against the Broncos. Pats need a boring week of normalcy leading up to the Niners.
18. Dolphins +1 2-3 Between Mike Gesicki, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Christian Wilkins the Dolphins players are clearly representing the fanbase's excitement for the team very, very well! And while everyone is happy that we finally saw Tua on the field for a couple of passes in mop-up duty after another well won game over a bad team, it clearly meant something more for Tua to get on the field for the first time since his injury in college.
19. Panthers -2 3-3 For a lot of people, failing against the Bears will come as a "We are who they thought they were" moment for the Panthers. But a closer look reveals this: The Panthers have either been in control of or within one possession of every single game they've played in 2020. It's likely not our year, but that's an impressive feat for a team that was supposed to be one of the League's worst going into the season.
20. Chargers +1 1-4 The Chargers didn't blow it this weekend, and about six livers are probably thankful for it. Now the rest of the week can be spent worrying about how this team could shoot itself in the foot against the super spoopy Jaguars.
21. Broncos +5 2-3 242 yards. For a running back or a wide receiver, that'd be an all-time great game. For Brandon McManus, that's just another day at the office. On the leg of their longest-tenured active player, plus a little help from the active hands of Shelby Harris, the Broncos exited Massachusetts with their first win in Foxborough since Jake Plummer. A season not quite dead and not quite alive gets its next test when Mahomes comes to town on Sunday.
22. Lions +3 2-3 A Lions win delivers happiness, excitement, and confusion. Not that the Lions beat the lowly Jaguars, but the Lions dominated from the first snap. They held the lead for the entire game, and beat the Jaguars on both sides of the ball. HC Matt Patricia stated they would be "simplifying" the defense in order to have results NOW, and god damn it finally worked. Does this save his job? No, but consistent performances like that will definitely earn a second look. Next week at ATL, are the teams going to fight over who gets to blow the double digit lead first? Tune in next week!
23. Texans -- 1-5 From the beginning to the very last seconds the Texans were in the game and pushing to win. Aggression was their watchword and for the first time in a long time the Texans were undeniably entertaining to watch. The difference in the team since BoB's firing is obvious, and I think fans can be rightfully proud of this team again. When the worst part of a game was having to listen to Rich Gannon demonstrate loudly how little he knows about strategy, you know it's been a Sunday afternoon well spent.
24. Eagles -- 1-4-1 The Philadelphia Eagles Practice Squad did their best against the Ravens but were unable to complete the comeback. Injuries and losses continue to pile up with virtually no end in sight. The only saving grace: the NFC East is so historically bad that the Eagles, with 1 win in 6 games, sit in 2nd place.
25. Cowboys -5 2-4 The Dallas Cowboys have continued their drunken shuffle sideways, falling the least far from the top of shit mountain. They rotated out which key players were injured, so that was a nice change of pace. Fans have started to shift playoff expectations from a potential Superb Owl push to picking in the early 20s with a 5-11 record.
26. Falcons +4 1-5 Prospective employers are crossing Dan Quinn off in droves, whose incompetent body of work at this point is nothing short of a creative masterpiece. Under new leadership Atlanta looks as sleek as their new jerseys, holding a lead for the first win of the season. Meanwhile, fans have undergone the quickest 180 in recent memory, from Trevor tanking to 11-5 hopefuls in just under five business days.
27. Vikings -5 1-5 Justin Jefferson's stat line from Sunday: 9 catches, 166 yards, 2 TDs, 1 reason to live.
28. Bengals -1 1-4-1 How to lose close games and & alienate players. A memoir by Zac Taylor, coming soon.
29. Washington FT -1 1-5 Washington Football Team and the Giants both came in with aspirations of being the least in the east but when it came time to win the game, Washington showed true losing heart and just wanted it less.
30. Jaguars -1 1-5 The Jacksonville Jaguars are very bad at the sport of American football. Fans call for leadership changes, however it seems the beatings will continue until morale improves.
31. Giants -- 1-5 An ugly win is still a win. But boy, was this one ugly. Staredowns and inexplicable lobs into the air resulting in picks continue to plague Daniel Jones, and the offensive playcalling leaves much to be desired. Thankfully, the defense continues to (mostly) impress. The Giants have little time for celebration on their first win of the season, though, as they'll head to Philly on a short week to see who wants to lose the NFC East title more.
32. Jets -- 0-6 Immediately following the game in Miami, the Jets traded DL Steve McLendon to the Bucs, who promptly got into his car and drove straight to Tampa. We should all be so luc
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2020.10.20 20:57 JessCHistory England's First Murder By Gun - Who Shot Robert Pakington in 1536?

I’m back with another curious mystery from London that I’m fairly sure hasn’t been covered here before. I’m a historian and the Tudor period, particularly the Henrican Reformation, was my specialty at degree. It’s got guns, clerical reform, and the first ever murder committed with a handgun in England.

Who Was Robert Pakington?
Robert Pakington was born to John Pakington and Elizabeth Washborne in a village called Stanforn-in-Teme. The village is in the county of Worcestershire, which is part of the West Midlands, and located not far from the Welsh border. His date of birth is not precisely known, being estimated around 1489 to fit in with later details we know of his life.
The family had a long lineage of genteel origin, the line stretching all the way back to the reign of Henry I. Elizabeth Washborne was an heiress that brought wealth to the Pakington family, and her and John would produce a large family. They would have four sons (John, Humphrey, Robert, Augustine) and three daughters (Joyce, Eleanor, and Margery). Money and influence was clearly spent on educating their children and putting them in the most favourable positions possible. The eldest son, John, would go on to become a lawyer and take a position at court, rising so high in Henry VIII’s favour that he was granted special permission to wear his hat in the presence of the king.
Robert was sent away at a young age to be an apprentice for the Mercer’s Company in London. This was entirely normal. Living with another household was important in the education of any young person, giving them vital social connections, a polish on their manners, as well as educating them in a trade. The Mercer’s Company was a guild and trade association for merchants, but most especially for those trading in fabrics such as wool, velvet, and silk. Wool fabric was the backbone of the English economy. Widely considered to be the finest fabric in Europe and generated huge amounts of wealth for an emerging merchant class that would become hugely influential throughout the sixteenth century.
Guilds were like a mixture of trade unions and secret societies. They would hold the secrets of their trade to members and their families, controlling trade standards and techniques, but also operated as communities of like-minded families. They would put on events, masques, parades, and care for the families of members who fell into destitution. Robert was clearly a respected member of the company as he worked as a Warden in the years 1527 and 1528.
Many guilds had strong religious links, although that really goes without saying for anything in the sixteenth century! There was not a single aspect of life in Tudor England that did not link back to religion. However, the nature of those connections and the role the church played in everyday life was rapidly changing. Humanist thought, where authors, writers, and theologians sought to look at original Biblical texts and examined works of classical Republicanism, had encouraged increased interest and criticism of the function and theology of the Catholic church.
This can be seen as coming to a head with Martin Luther nailing his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenburg in 1517. While other movements that sought to reform the practices of the Catholic church had faltered before, this was a new age. The printing press allowed quicker dissemination of ideas, especially in bustling urban centres, full of newly made men who did not entirely fit into the traditional social hierarchy.
Anti-clerical thought was high and common in London. Robert Hunne, a merchant tailor, was accused of heresy in 1514 after refusing to pay a church fee for his baby’s burial robe. He was found hanging in his cell in suspicious circumstances and the authorities had his corpse burnt for his supposed crimes. It is possible that Robert, employed in a similar trade, may have known Hunne socially. He would have certainly known him in his network of contacts and through working in the same circles.
In any case, Pakington wrote articles for the Mercers in 1523 and 1529 that were extremely anti-clerical. It is important to note that ‘Protestant’ did not exist as a cohesive branch of religious thought or even as a term at this point. Robert would have been known as a reformist or an evangelical, and his views were extremely common for men of his position and rank. He also would have still considered himself a Catholic. What reformers wanted was for the church to return to a state of spiritual purity that existed in the earliest days of the Christian church and to cut through rules and customs that had been built up over the centuries.
Robert Pakington was elected to parliament in October 1533 and re-elected in 1536. Edward Hall, a lawyer and historian, recorded that Pakington spent time in parliament ‘speaking somewhat against the covetousness and cruelty of the clergy’. It was most likely during this time that he came into contact with Thomas Cromwell.
Working as chancellor from 1533, Cromwell is, to put it mildly, a much discussed and controversial figure. To avoid any big discussions on Cromwell and his role in the Reformation, let’s simplify by saying that he held strongly reformist views and that when Henry VIII said he wished for people to jump, Cromwell would ask how high it should be. He was responsible for overseeing the king’s wishes, especially in directing policy for the Church of England after it broke away from the main body of the Roman Catholic Church in 1533. Pakington supplied Cromwell with reports on Flanders, an influential area in the Low Countries that is now in Belgium. The Low Countries had embraced reformist beliefs fairly quickly and was the key market for international trade, especially woollen cloth. Pakington definitely had knowledge on both fronts to keep the Chancellor well informed.

The Murder
Pakington lived in an area called ‘Westcheap’ - now known as Cheapside. ‘Cheap’ was the word for market in Middle English and the area was the site of the major produce markets for the city. Cheapside has also had a long association with fabric and cloth, most likely because the Mercer’s Company was based there. In fact, their main chapel at St Thomas of Acre was located just across the street from Robert Pakington’s home.
Robert attended mass at this chapel daily. As he left his home on the 13th November 1536, leaving his second wife Katherine and his five children inside, he found that the street was blocked by a man driving a cart. The man turned to Robert and asked whether he was Robert Pakington. Robert, used to dealing with messengers and merchants on a daily basis, confirmed that he was indeed Master Pakington.
The man in the cart turned, leaning into the haystack on his cart, and removed a wheellock handgun. He shot Robert in the head, killing him instantly. The shot was heard throughout the neighbourhood. It was the first murder committed with a handgun in London.
‘And one morning amongst all other, being a great misty morning such as hath seldom been seen, even as he was crossing the street from his house to the church, he was suddenly murdered with a gun, which of the neighbours was plainly heard and by a great number of labourers there standing at Soper's Lane [NB. now known as Queen Street] end...but the deed doer was never espied nor known.’
Neighbours and bystanders came running to see the noise as the murderer on the cart quickly made a get away. The strong mist and fog limited what they could see of the killer; it is probably why Pakington was not suspicious of being asked his identity. The neighbours gave conflicting reports about what the murderer looked like and the direction he had escaped. A ‘gret rewarde’ was put forward but who did it was never discovered.

The Murder Weapon
Robert Pakington was shot with a wheellock handgun. These were developed from around 1500 and they are fired in a way similar to a cigarette lighter. A wheel is spun against pyrite to create a spark that ignites the charge. They were the perfect weapon for a quick murder in an urban environment. A wheellock can be fired with just one hand, unlike most guns of the time that required packed powders and being locked and prepared in a long process. They are also resistant to rain or damp conditions. While other guns required a burning slow match to be applied to a fuse, the wheellock meant a spark could be made in any weather. The smaller size meant it could easily be hidden in cloaks and pockets. Later on in the sixteenth century, these very factors meant wheellocks were used for the assassinations of William the Silent and Francis, Duke of Guise.
However, those factors that made the wheellock such an effective weapon made it incredibly expensive. The mechanisms required an extremely skilled gunsmith to craft them and to maintain them. The complexity of design made it prone to malfunctions and breakages if the gun is not kept carefully. This would suggest that someone with access to a lot of money killed Pakington or arranged for his death. The gun may have even been sourced from abroad. London was one of the larger cities in England but the population was around 100,000. Any gunsmith with knowledge of selling such a notable weapon would have been identified and questioned (although, he may also have been bought off). In any case, the use of the gun makes this murder particularly notable.

Who Murdered Robert Pakington?
It is extremely unlikely at this point that we will ever know the exact identity of Pakington’s killer - not unless we find a signed confession or will confessing to the crime - there have been theories put forth over the years as to who did the deed.
Robert Barnes, a reformist priest who led the sermon for Pakington’s funeral, called Robert a martyr. This idea was promoted by many of those who knew Robert and who became committed to the new Protestant cause. John Bale, a Protestant reformer, suggested in 1545 that conservative Catholic bishops funded an assassin to do the deed. Edward Hall agreed. John Foxe, a martyrologist who wrote accounts of Protestant martyrs being horribly killed by corrupt Catholic authorities in his work Actes and Monuments, also blamed the clergy. He added to the story by alleging that John Incent, a Dean of St. Paul’s, made a deathbed confession that he murdered Pakington. He also came up with a theory that an Italian may have been the assassin. After all, Italy had the most skilled gunsmiths in Europe and guns were thought to be more part of Italian culture than anywhere else.
The chroniclers John Stow, Richard Grafton, and Raphael Holinshed did not repeat Foxe’s claims in their accounts of the murder. Instead, they claimed that a felon hanged in Banbury, an Oxfordshire village, confessed to the murder while on the gallows.
Finger pointing about religion aside, it is extremely unlikely that bishops got together to conspire to assassinate Robert Pakington. He was a minor figure of reformist policy with no real say over anything. There was nothing especially controversial or notable about his views. He was not translating or publishing Bibles, although he may have imported illegal Tyndale translations from his connections in the Low Countries. There was nothing that would have made him more of a target than, say, Thomas Cromwell. In fact, if bishops wanted to conspire to kill anyone, Thomas Cromwell would have been top of their list.
The death seems to have definitely been arranged. The weapon was chosen for the weather in London in a cold, wet November. The day was chosen carefully, picking one of mist and fog where it would be easy to make a getaway without any neighbours making an identification. Preparing the cart and the hay implies premeditation. Whoever did the murder must have known Pakington’s schedule to be aware of when he was likely to leave his home for mass and that he would not be accompanied with his wife or children. There was money spent on the crime. Handguns were still very rare in England and effort had been put into selecting a weapon that would be the most efficient at killing Pakington to give the killer time to get away.
If he wasn’t killed for his politics, maybe Pakington’s finances provide a clue. He left behind a fortune of around £300 - equivalent to £126,407 in modern money, or around the wages due from 10,000 days of labour. That is a considerable amount of money and he was part of an influential guild with connections stretching into Europe. In the rush to label him a martyr, any business dealings, debts, or disputes that had gone sour were forgotten and never recorded.
There is always the chance that Pakington was, as one in Cheapside might say today, a bit of a dick and someone just wanted to kill him for entirely personal reasons.
Whoever it was that killed Robert Pakington put time, effort, and money into ensuring it was well done. So well done that, while Robert Pakington is still remembered as the first man murdered by a gun in England, we have no idea who killed him and why.

What ideas do you have about the murder of Robert Pakington?
Some sources used:
https://inquisitivewonder.com/the-assassination-of-robert-pakington/
https://www.tudorsociety.com/tag/robert-pakington/
https://peoplepill.com/people/robert-pakington/
http://www.johnfoxe.org/index_realm_text_gototype_modern_edition_1570_pageid_1330.html
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2020.10.20 20:55 thetranquillife1 Strong Arguments for the Christian Faith

1. Fulfilment of Old Testament Messianic Prophecies
2. Fulfilment of Prophecy since the Ascension of Jesus
3. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ
Other:
4. Manuscript Authority and Multiplicity
5. Archaeological Finds and Extra-Biblical Evidence
OT:
NT:
Reasons Why Many Have Left the Church/Why Many Don't Consider Christian Faith:
  1. The true gospel has not been preached. The gospel being that Christ died for our sins and we can find forgiveness and redemption through faith (not works) alone. This is what it is to be 'born from above.' If someone is not born-again, religious community is not enough.
  2. Belief that faith is committing 'intellectual suicide', and one is infantile for having faith in immaterial persons or realities
  3. Peer pressure to be a practical atheist. No-one wants to be ostracised and isolated, but this conformity comes with the cost of losing Christ and heaven.
  4. Linked to the practical atheist movement, the world view of many Christians in a majority atheist society is often quite pessimistic. Many in the Church believe that the society 'out there' is dark and that things are hopeless to overcome the unbelief, and that all we can do is wait until Christ returns. Pessimism is very much in the Church and who wants to be in a pessimistic mind-set all the time. Unregenerate persons will choose positivity over pessimism (despite Christ's death and resurrection being the best news to a fallen and sinful individual).
  5. Hypocrites and unloving people in the Church.
  6. Habitual sins. If an individual is habitually sinning, they can only tolerate cognitive dissonance for a limited time before they either ditch the sin or the faith.
  7. The pursuit of money. The love of money truly is the root of all evil. Many have shipwrecked their faith in pursuit of money and the material possessions that money can buy.
  8. The media and society is filled with propaganda, particularly sexual propaganda, and this helps entice individuals away from faith. If Hollywood produced films that honoured Christ and God then we would see people be more open to faith. Certain interest groups are deeply involved, and have been for decades, in the subversion of the Christian faith in the West.
  9. They are unaware of the strong arguments in favour of the Christian faith. Theologians and ministers have in large part failed to disseminate this knowledge to the Church at large and to the general public.
  10. The presence of the Antichrist spirit. Wherever the Spirit of Christ is/was, the spirit of Antichrist, the power force of Satan, attempts to disrupt the Kingdom of God and keep individuals away from the truth, and his ultimate plan is to delude mankind into following the man of lawlessness, the Antichrist. This spirit is active in the West because Christianity made its home in the hearts and culture of the West.
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2020.10.20 20:28 thetranquillife1 Strong Arguments in Favour of the Christian Faith

1. Fulfilment of Old Testament Messianic Prophecies
2. Fulfilment of Prophecy since the Ascension of Jesus
3. The Resurrection of Jesus Christ
Other:
4. Manuscript Authority and Multiplicity
5. Archaeological Finds and Extra-Biblical Evidence
OT:
NT:
Reasons Why Many Have Left the Church/Why Many Don't Consider Christian Faith:
  1. The true gospel has not been preached. The gospel being that Christ died for our sins and we can find forgiveness and redemption through faith (not works) alone. This is what it is to be 'born from above.' If someone is not born-again, religious community is not enough.
  2. Belief that faith is committing 'intellectual suicide', and one is infantile for having faith in immaterial persons or realities
  3. Peer pressure to be a practical atheist. No-one wants to be ostracised and isolated, but this conformity comes with the cost of losing Christ and heaven.
  4. Linked to the practical atheist movement, the world view of many Christians in a majority atheist society is often quite pessimistic. Many in the Church believe that the society 'out there' is dark and that things are hopeless to overcome the unbelief, and that all we can do is wait until Christ returns. Pessimism is very much in the Church and who wants to be in a pessimistic mind-set all the time. Unregenerate persons will choose positivity over pessimism (despite Christ's death and resurrection being the best news to a fallen and sinful individual).
  5. Hypocrites and unloving people in the Church.
  6. Habitual sins. If an individual is habitually sinning, they can only tolerate cognitive dissonance for a limited time before they either ditch the sin or the faith.
  7. The media and society is filled with propaganda, particularly sexual propaganda, and this helps entice individuals away from faith. If Hollywood produced films that honoured Christ and God then we would see people be more open to faith.
  8. The pursuit of money. The love of money truly is the root of all evil. Many have shipwrecked their faith in pursuit of money and the material possessions that money can buy.
  9. They are unaware of the strong arguments in favour of the Christian faith. Theologians and ministers have in large part failed to disseminate this knowledge to the Church at large and to the general public.
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2020.10.20 20:25 mr_tyler_durden Notes and Highlights of Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear’s Live Update October 20, 2020

Notes and Highlights of Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear’s Live Update October 20, 2020
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2020.10.20 16:29 Ortho-Apologia A response to u/Vive_La_Muerte’s argument against the resurrection from four months ago

Hi u/Viva_La_Muerte and ChristianApologetics! I saw this post from a few months ago: https://www.reddit.com/DebateAChristian/comments/iif75e/griefbereavement_hallucinations_can_probably/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Since it has been so long, and I couldn’t respond, I decided to make this post as my response.
I have no problem conceding for the sake of argument that the appearances to the 500 and ‘mass hysteria’ overtaking all the twelve are not historical (Although some Atheist Historians would not be so quick to do so: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_Lüdemann). I also have no problem granting that only Peter, Paul and James were martyred, or even that only general killings of Christians were undertaken by the Roman authorities. I also won’t bother to grant that the tomb was empty. I will concede your far more liberal (albeit mainstream) interpretation since you grant all of my historical bedrock (minus Paul’s conversion, which you fail to account for). I will say that Paul met with Peter, James and John, and so we must account for, at minimum, the belief of these four men.
On to your theory. You write:
“Jesus is crucified. Joseph of Arimathea has him buried in the family tomb, out of deference to Jewish custom.” (I will concede this burial was ahistorical for the sake of argument)
The disciples are demoralized and scattered. Four of the twelve decide this is it, Jesus is dead, it's over. They take off and disappear from history.
A few days later (say, three, give or take) some local wannabe sorcerer steals Jesus' body from the tomb, hoping it maintains magical properties. What happens to the remains after this point is unimportant.
Soon afterwards, a few of Jesus' female followers come to the tomb for whatever reason. They find it empty, and run off to tell Peter and what remains of the Twelve.”
Commentary: To recap, you grant most of the historical bedrock I would use. Namely, the appearance to Peter, James and John as well as the crucifixion. You do not account for the conversion of Paul.
“When Peter hears of this, his first thought is the prediction of Jesus that he would rise from the dead after his death. He thinks 'could it be?'. That night, he has a dream or a vision of some kind, in which Jesus appears to him and says he has indeed been raised up to heaven. Peter, of course, wants to believe, and is convinced. The next day, he proclaims to the remaining seven disciples (plus himself) that Jesus has been resurrected, just as he predicted.”
Commentary: Here is where we start to see some problems. First of all, let’s say Peter does want to believe Jesus rose from the dead. Second temple Jews rejected bodily resurrection. However, apotheosis was fairly well known in the jewish scriptures with many prophets being assumed to heaven. It is an anachronism to claim Peter would have jumped to the conclusion of bodily resurrection like that. It would have taken much more than a dream or a simple visual hallucination. But the real problem is that this hypothesis doesn’t even get off the ground because Peter wouldn’t have wanted to believe Jesus rose from the dead.
In every other example of dissonance, the subjects find a way to postpone their beliefs or receive a fresh revelation that preserves what they really want to believe. The early Christian belief was such a distortion of what the messiah was supposed to do - even who the messiah was - that I don’t see what belief they were preserving. Sure, they called Jesus the messiah before and called him the messiah after and routed this in firm belief the OT scriptures, but the messiah didn’t fulfil his purposes - the messiah didn’t redeem Israel and was killed by the people he was supposed to defeat. The early Christians didn’t postpone the redemption of Israel either. Instead, the apostles claimed that Israel didn’t need to be redeemed in a political sense or even by means of a spiritual revival after all. Rather, the messiah was supposed to be killed by the very people he was supposed to valiantly overthrow, only to rise again - not in order to continue his mission - but in order to provide forgiveness of sins and vouchsafe hope in the ultimate resurrection of his followers. The messianic mission of Jesus was no longer to redeem Israel, but to forgive sins and vouchsafe hope in the ultimate resurrection of anyone who chooses to follow him.
To circle back to the case of the Lubavitcher you brought up earlier, let me quote this WestarInstitute Article by Komarinsky (I assume this is who you were referencing? He’s the only one I know of who uses the Chabad as an analogue for the resurrection beliefs of early Christians).
“But it was not impossible. Rebbe Schneerson’s followers rationalized that their dead Messiah would complete his mission later, after he resurrected from the dead. Putting aside whether or not this rationalization is coherent, Berger’s reaction illustrates how big a gap there can be between what we think is possible with a cognitive dissonance reduction rationalization and what actually is possible. (. . .) Of course, the Lubavitchers’ rationalization is not quite the same as that of Jesus’ followers, who claimed that Jesus had already been resurrected from the dead, but there is a good reason for this difference. In Lubavitcher theology, a “prince,” in this case Rebbe Schneerson (who did not designate a successor), must be present in this world in some physical capacity in order to mediate the world’s divine force or the world would cease to exist. Since the world still existed, Rebbe Schneerson had to still be physically present in the grave; he could not have been resurrected from the dead and transported up to heaven as Jesus’ followers believed about him.” (Komarinsky, Westar Institute)
It seems to me that we are dealing with a simple postponement. The followers of the Lubavitcher rebbe did not change who the messiah was (ie a man to the Son of God himself), nor did they change the purpose of the messiah. Rebbe Schneerson was still going to redeem Israel in an earthly sense. Their ultimate hope was still very much in the same messiah. He simple hadn’t died or would be raised to continue his mission.
To illustrate my point further, let’s consider another example of dissonance: the millerites. “But October 22, 1844, came and went with no second coming of Jesus. This second disconfirmation almost killed the movement, but still, yet another, and this time much more complex, belief emerged—the date had been correct, but Jesus’ second coming had occurred in heaven, not on earth. Jesus had begun an investigative judgment of the world, and when he is done he will return to earth, but no one knows exactly when. This rationalization was sustained and continues to this day with membership in the millions. It is known as the Church of Seventh-day Adventists.” (Komarinsky, Westar Institute)
In other words, the millerites believed Jesus’ second coming occured, but that the new revelation was that he had begun a longer investigative judgment. It is, essentially, another post ponement. In Festinger’s UFO cult study, they also believed in a fresh revelation, which preserved their belief that the woman upon which the movement was centred upon who had recieved the messages from outer space had not, in fact, been wrong. She simply had a new, fresh revelation for the flying saucer devotees - namely that God had decided to spare them.
The only way to reconcile his Messiahship with his death was the imminent destruction of gentile kingdoms. That is it. I think whatever superficial connection has been forged between the messianic expectations of Jews and of early Christians should be revealed for being incredibly weak.
The belief that the gentile kingdoms are going to be destroyed or that Israel is going to be physically reborn was not part of the messianic expectations of the first century AFAIK. Christians believed that Jesus’ second coming was exclusively to judge sinners and resurrect his followers in a world free from all sin and death. This is not the same political overthrow of gentiles and rebirth of Israel that you see in the Second Temple Judaism. This is actually the precise difference I was noting above regarding the millerites and the Lubavitcher. They simply post poned their belief (“oh, Jesus’ second coming did happen. He’s just in an investigative judgment phase now. It’ll be over soon.” Or “Oh, the Rebbe? Yeah, he didn’t actually die for good. He’s gonna be right back to finish his mission.”) the Christians didn’t claim anything like this. The expressly denied that an earthly rebirth of Israel was the purpose of the messiah.
Messianic expectations in the first century rejected the suffering servant messiah, as rabbinic Jews continue to believe to this day. The conception of the messiah, of course, varied, but not in the sense of the purpose of the messiah, which in the first century was to provide some sort of political revolution and/or spiritual revival (ie more pious Jews and less heathens) for Israel. This wouldn’t have solved Peter’s dissonance because his belief in a political messiah was what he wanted. This wasn’t a mere postponement either like the rebbe, or sabbatai or even the millerites. This was a complete rejigging of the messiah to the extent that he resembled nothing like he did before.
Now I feel it is important to note that, as a Christian, I do believe Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies, and that the early Christian community justified their belief in Jesus as the messiah in the Old Testament scriptures. It is important to note that this could occur only after they radically changed the messiah to the extent that it preserved none of their beliefs.
“Two of them, say, Thomas and another, don't believe him. They say 'sorry, Jesus is dead'. And that's that, for them. The other five do.
So now we have Peter and five disciples who all believe Jesus has been raised from death. Over the next few days or weeks, another two or three of the apostles have their own dreams or visions or other experiences which they interpret as Jesus' appearing to them. That's enough to convince any remaining doubters among those who don't have visions, or at least to keep them from questioning it. After all, the tomb is empty, right?
And there we have the seeds of the resurrection story, within a few weeks to months of Jesus' crucifixion. No need for lying, or swooning, or mass hallucinations, or late legends, or secret twins.
Of course, I don't think this is exactly what happened. I have no proof this is what happened. But it fits just as well with the circumstantial evidence we have, and does not require me to believe in revivified corpses.”
Hold on, you seemed to miss Paul. Paul’s conversion is part of our historical bedrock as well. u/Viva_La_Muerte how do you explain his?
Paul was a pious Pharisee who hated the Christian church. Now, of course it makes sense to play up how much of a non believer he was before, but it doesn’t make sense to invent how he persecuted the church. He even hints that the Christian community at Galatia was aware of his former status as a Pharisee who arrested and beat up Christians (even if you don’t grant he killed them, which I am willing to do for the sake of argument). Paul was not predisposed due to cognitive dissonance, he wasn’t greaving Jesus’ death and there is nothing to suggest he would have experienced hallucinations of Jesus. Moreover, there is nothing to suggest he wanted to, and even more there is everything to suggest the contrary.
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